2019 Dem Debates–Part 2

Tuesday and Wednesday night were debate nights on CNN.

20 candidates….two nights….and the manufactured fireworks……

First Night–

Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren were the two highest-polling candidates in Tuesday night’s Democratic debate, the first of two 10-candidate debates in Detroit—but it was a letdown for anybody expecting a clash between the two progressives. Since they are competing for similar voters, “everyone was girding for them to actually, you know, debate each other,” writes Aaron Blake at the Washington Post. Instead, they “largely agreed to a cease-fire” and even tried to defend each other against moderates who attacked their positions on issue like health care as too radical. More:

  • Buttigieg, O’Rourke “lost in the middle.” Beto O’Rourke and Pete Buttigieg have enough resources to stay in the race for a long time to come, but the former sensations looked a lot like has-beens Tuesday night to David Siders and Christopher Cadelago at Politico, who describe the debate as a “boring mess.” With the debate seen as a battle of progressives versus moderates, they write, O’Rourke and Buttigieg “fell somewhere in the middle, which makes it difficult to sustain air.”
  • Big night for Bernie. The “feisty” senator from Vermont’s tops the list of winners at CNN. Former Maryland Rep. John Delaney, who repeatedly clashed with Sanders and Warren, also makes the list, simply for reminding people that he exists. Losers include the “rehearsed and wooden” O’Rourke and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, who failed to get anywhere near a breakout moment.
  • Breakout moment for Bullock? Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, who didn’t qualify for the previous round of debates, had a good night and could “make waves in the race as a centrist who has won elections in a deep-red state,” write Max Greenwood and Jonathan Easley at the Hill. Bullock put himself across as a moderate who believes in Obama-era health care and immigration policies. “It used to be Republicans who wanted to repeal and replace, now it’s Democrats,” he said of “Medicare for All” plans that would replace ObamaCare.
  • A taste of things to come. While the moderates who targeted Sanders and Warren, including Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan, may not qualify for future debates, Tuesday night was a preview of the rifts likely to appear in debates where Joe Biden debates the progressive senators, the New York Times reports. “We’ve talked about taking private health insurance away from union members in the industrial Midwest, we’ve talked about decriminalizing the border, and we’ve talked about giving free health care to undocumented workers when so many Americans are struggling to pay for their health care,” Ryan said. “I quite frankly don’t think that that is an agenda that we can move forward on and win.”
  • Williamson wins the Internet. Self-help author Marianne Williamson surged in Internet searches with her unconventional responses, which included references to “emotional turbulence” and President Trump’s “dark psychic force. “On some level, we all seem to know that Marianne Williamson shouldn’t exactly be on the debate stage,” write Katherine Miller at BuzzFeed. “Even she seems to know it, because she operates like she’s performing a commentary on the rest of the stage, speaking from a different stage about the debate taking place.”

The only thing of interest to me was the divide on health care….it was old Democratic Party versus the New….the Moderates sounded more like the GOP than the GOP…….but the final word is that the first night was not anything to remember.  Hopefully the second night on CNN will be better served for the public.

The night and this debate will go down in history as the most forgettable waste of time.

Night Number Two…….

Joe Biden faced attacks from all sides in the second Democratic debate in Detroit—but the front-runner seemed more prepared and readier to hit back than he did in June, analysts say. Biden, criticized by some of the other nine candidates onstage on issues including health care, climate change, race, immigration, and his record on women’s issues,”cleared a low bar” and “highlighted both his close association with a popular Barack Obama and his brand of moderation that has led many voters to view him as the party’s best coalition-builder in a general election,” according to the New York Times. “Everybody’s talking about how terrible I am on all these issues,” Biden said during the debate. Obama “knew exactly who I was. He chose me and he said it was the best decision he made.” How the other nine fared:

  • Kamala Harris. The California senator, who made waves with her attack on Biden’s record in the June debate, found herself a target on Wednesday night, with other candidates pulling no punches when they criticized her record as a prosecutor. “Challenged repeatedly by some of the lower-polling candidates on the stage, she was at times halting and didn’t seem fully ready for the challenge at hand,” writes Aaron Blake at the Washington Post.
  • Cory Booker. Booker was one of the night’s winners, according to Vox. The New Jersey senator focused on criminal justice reform, telling Biden that the policies he has championed since the 1970s led to mass incarceration. When Biden tried to deflect the attacks by bringing up Booker’s own record, the senator delivered one of the night’s best lines: “You’re dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don’t even know the flavor.”
  • Tulsi Gabbard. The House lawmaker from Hawaii raised her profile and became Google’s most-searched-for candidate with what CNN calls “a performance that ranged from adversarial to deeply personal.” She slammed Harris’ record as California’s attorney general, saying the senator should apologize to people who “suffered under your reign as prosecutor,” and brought up her own record as an Iraq War veteran while arguing that it is time to “bring the troops home.”
  • Jay Inslee. This may have been the “final appearance on a debate stage” for the low-polling Washington governor, but he managed to hit Biden hard on climate change which has been the main focus of his campaign, reports the Seattle Times. He said he was “mad as hell” about the issue and slammed Biden’s “middle of the road” approach. “The time is up. Our house is on fire!” Inslee said. “Get off coal. Save this country and the planet, that’s what I’m for.”
  • Bill de Blasio. The New York City mayor’s debate performance was overshadowed by problems at home, the New York Daily News reports. His opening statement was almost drowned out by protesters shouting “Fire Pantaleo,” referring to the NYPD officer in the Eric Garner case. When the issue came up later in the debate, the mayor tried to shift the focus by asking Biden what he had done about it while vice president.
  • Andrew Yang. The tech entrepreneur was not a huge presence in the debate: He had the least speaking time of all the candidates, at 8 minutes, 53 seconds. His most talked-about moment came during a discussion of climate change, when he suggested it was time for Americans to start moving to higher ground, using the $1,000-a-month universal basic income he has proposed.
  • Julian Castro. Castro made it onto CNN‘s list of winners with his forceful remarks on immigration reform, and one of the night’s top lines. “It looks like one of us has learned the lessons of the past and one of us hasn’t,” the former HUD secretary told Biden when the Obama administration’s record on the issue came up.
  • Kirsten Gillibrand. Sen. Gillibrand’s biggest moment came when she attacked Biden over a 1981 op-ed in which he argued that giving higher earners a child care tax credit would subsidize the ” deterioration of the family. ” But Biden seemed prepared: He responded by discussing his record on women’s issues, his personal life, and Gillibrand’s history of working with him on issues including violence against women. “From the very beginning, my deceased wife worked when we had children,” he said. “My present wife has worked all the way through raising our children.”
  • Michael Bennet. There was no breakout moment for the senator from Colorado, though he “distinguished himself as a centrist voice” on issues including health care and immigration, according to Business Insider. He called for adding a public option to ObamaCare, saying Medicare for All “would make illegal employer-based health insurance in this country and massively raise taxes on the middle class to the tune of $30 trillion, as Joe Biden said.”‘

But Americans need winners and losers….

Everybody on that stage was looking for that sound byte moment that would control the news for a couple of days……they failed.

Harris who won the first debate looked ill prepared for this one…..in the after debate she took a cheap short at another candidate….I do not like that.

Booker and Castro had a good night and that should help them in the next debate.

Biden won the night simply by not screwing up……still using tired talking points from the past on health care….at one point he could have been a Repub spreading manure.  He is still the front runner with tired talking points and a closeness to Obama all he has….plus the MSM is in his corner and hype him whenever possible.

No one should break out from the debate…the order will stay much as it was before it began.

Still saw NOTHING that would change my mind on who to support….but it does reinforce my feeling that about half these “candidates” should go home and play with the wife/husband.

There is some good news for Tulsi….according to Google Trends she was the most searched candidate after the debates….hopefully those people will see what I see in her for she still has my support.

The only good to come out of this debate was that the MSM had something to fixate on besides Mueller, Russia and impeachment…..the best line from the debate was when the moderator said “goody night from Detroit”.

I will reiterate…I think these “debates” are worthless and all they do is give the networks fodder for a week or so.  I want to seer these candidates face off on real subjects…like war and the endless use of troops over and over and over then to discard them and find new fodder.

In stead that talk about issues that will talk both Houses to enact and that will not happen even with the control of those Houses.

These “debates” are a waste of time….PERIOD!

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11 thoughts on “2019 Dem Debates–Part 2

  1. So far seven have qualified for the next debate. Possible two or three might join them.

    I thought listening to the health issues was worthwhile. Different candidates brought up questions and raised points that should be considered. The various plans were complex and not explained.

  2. It’s interesting that our respective posts on the debates were fairly similar (with a few exceptions). I thought the first night was good because it focused more on the issues, whereas I criticized the second night as being consumed with demagoguery.

      1. I like her as well….looks like next debate will be set up so that only the top tier candidates get a place…..which is typical of rigging the debates in favor of the corporate darlings….chuq

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