Closing Thought–08Jul20

The Fourth has just been experienced and all the flags, speeches and patriotism was as usual…..a bit telling…..

For one, most displays of the flag is done wrong.

I have written about patriotism on several occasions and this post has some of my thoughts within it…..https://lobotero.com/2019/10/10/what-is-patriotism-2/

It appears that patriotism has fallen to its lowest level in a couple of decades…..

American patriotism is at its lowest ebb for almost two decades, a new poll has found.

A survey by Gallup found that while 70 per cent of US adults said they are “proud” to be American, less than half said that they are “extremely proud”.

The findings were released ahead of the Fourth of July national holiday amid the country’s struggle to rein in the coronavirus pandemic, and calls for racial justice and an end to policy brutality in Black Lives Matter protests in every state.

Gallup said that US pride is at its lowest point since the company began taking polls on it in 2001. It is the second year that the number of “extremely proud” people dropped below the majority (45 per cent).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/america-patriotism-pride-fourth-of-july-trump-2020-us-election-a9601661.html

Any thoughts?

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18 thoughts on “Closing Thought–08Jul20

  1. It.. perturbs… me to say the least, with the Right Wing Conservative use of the flag as a prop to exhibit/illustrate their ownership of patriotism. Trump hugging to the screaming crowds is abuse of the flag. Loons wearing it as some sort of clothing or a cape, as if the flag were shielding you personally (no.. you are to defend IT) is abuse of the flag. Carrying it or waving it does NOT automatically presume you are patriotic; if anything it means you are “paying homage” to Trump, not paying respect to what the flag represents. Patriotism is not a political whim but affirmation of devotion.

    1. @Doug

      Think about the word patriotism => https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=patriotism

      When people participate in politics, ideally they should be doing so because they love their country. Hence we should expect politicians to demonstrate that they do love our country.

      When some politicians have an aversion to the flag, the symbol of our nation’s unity, that should worry us.

  2. I can’t really comment on American pride, but I have never been at all proud to be ‘British’, and not even that bothered about being English. My main pride for most of my life was in being a Londoner.
    Best wishes, Pete.

      1. The UK is a small place, Doug, but I feel little affinity with someone from Manchester or Bristol, just because we are both ‘English’. As a Londoner, I felt I belonged somewhere. London.

      2. I think so, and certainly in my personal experience. People from Liverpool, Newcastle, Manchester, Cardiff, Glasgow, etc are usually fiercely loyal to that city, and the football teams also fire up that rivalry. As a rule, Londoners are disliked by the rest of the country, which doesn’t bother them at all. 🙂

  3. I cannot stand fake patriotism. My pride in America comes from taking advantage of the things that I can do to improve things rather than sitting back and believing that we’ve come as far as we can go.

  4. I don’t quite get the love for the flag and “respect for the flag” that goes on all the time, or did. It’s used as a prop or a “I’m a real American” statement against others.
    It’s always weird to me when people get worked up in a fervor about rights issues at town halls and the like (like with mask requirements these days) and start invoking the flag and freedom. At least once somebody’s gonna scream out and point and go “I’d die for that flag!” or “Brave Americans have died for that flag, and not so (blah blah blah) could happen!”
    I always wanna ask, “Really? Why?”
    It’s moments like this I really wanna ask a veteran who went to fight if that’s what they fought for. It’s a piece of cloth. I don’t think any of the ones i used to talk to (most long gone by now) would ever say they would die for the flag. Nobody I’ve heard of would pull a bodyguard move and put themselves in front of a flag during an assassination attempt or shooting. If you held a kid and a flag over a cliff and said one had to fall, who the hell would let the kid die and go for the flag?
    It’s a piece of cloth (occasionally even made in America) that we chose as a symbol of our country. It shouldn’t be the end-all, be-all statement in and of itself. Folks fought because it was their time, for better opportunities, and a vast amount of other reasons where they felt they could do something for their country. It represents many things for many different people, and most of the ones screaming about disrespecting the flag don’t seem to understand that, and assume everybody knows what they mean when they say they respect the flag.
    That’s why I want to ask “why?” when the “super-patriots” go off on loving the flag more than everyone else. I’d love to see those folks in particular blink in confusion and have to explain it to me.

    1. We agree. To which I will also add that I also get a bit unnerved in a patriotic way when I see the flag being burned or desecrated in some demonstration.. typically Third World countries.. but more so even here. But I also acknowledge my feeling with the idea that it’s the “image” of what the flag represents.. our democracy… that lives in our hearts… and not the flag itself. Part of that democracy includes free speech. No laws are needed on how we treat the flag. Yet demonstrators of any ideology know burning the flag is certainly a trigger point for violent passions.

    2. I cannot argue against anything you have said…..I even had a regular visitor basically tell me to love it or leave it…I had not had that moronic statement in decades….but there it was….somethings never change. chuq

      1. That’s the ultimate lash-out that just makes no sense. The beauty of the U.S. system is that we can facilitate change for society without being lined up against the wall and shot as traitors… of course, with some people’s frothing-at-the-mouth anger about anyone and anything against Dump, that might be theoretical if there’s 4 more years of the Great Pumpkin.

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