As with anything that the mentally challenged do not understand then they say it is “in the Constitution” and if they disagree then they totally ignore any constitutional value…..there are even some politicians that carry a pocket copy of the document and wipe it out whenever they try to make a lame point…..and at one point the GOp after taking control opf Congress passed a deal that the Constitution reference would be attacked to every bill……that like all things GOP went like the Do-Do……
I have even heard of one judge that said there was “no value” in studying the Constitution….that ought to get him in some sort of trouble with the Repubs…….
Seventh Circuit Judge Richard Posner stated Friday that he sees “no value” in studying the U.S. Constitution.
Posner, a senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School, alleges in an op-ed for Slate that there is “absolutely no value to a judge of spending decades, years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, or seconds studying the Constitution, the history of its enactment, its amendments, and its implementation” because he believes the founding document is no longer relevant to contemporary society.
“Eighteenth-century guys, however smart, could not foresee the culture, technology, etc., of the 21st century,” Posner argues, adding, “the original Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the post–Civil War amendments (including the 14th), do not speak to today.”
Source: ‘Absolutely no value’ in studying Constitution, federal judge says
My thought is that we either take the Constitution as written or we change it……I will agree with this judge that it does need to be modernized to bring it into the 21st century.
But can you imagine the total bullsh*t that would transpire with a Constitutional Convention?
What would you say about this idea?
In my opinion, this country is long overdue for a Constitutional convention. The document needs to be updated to reflect the today’s realities. Unfortunately, in today’s political climate, it may be very possible that no consensus would be possible; too many of our leaders are incapable of acting like an adult.
I agree on both counts….the document needs to move into the 21st century….chuq
Say What….No Value….Say What…..?
I do agree that the Constitution writers could not have for seen their country as it stands today and therefore, some changes are and have been needed. But without studying what was how can you change it?
I am not for changing our Constitution frivolously; first we make laws and vote them in by Congress or by National Participation. Then we challenge those laws by refuting them in Court…all the way to the Supreme Court if needed. Then we go back and change the laws and repeat.
FINALLY, “We the People” vote for a Constitutional Amendment and not a second before.
Not study the Constitution? BALDERDASH!
~~dru~~
Can you imagine the lies if we ever had a Constitution Convention….I mean look at what happened with the ERA vote….chuq
Sheezzzz, but I still say you can’t fix what you don’t know. The piece of paper should be read and studied in relation to the time it was created. Then a mixture of what did they actually intend and what is our world like now; should be concocted, mixed into a FEW adjustments, moderations, and plain and simple changes, then voted upon, and then the constitution would have a few amendments.
Most higher organisms can’t live without a backbone (now don’t go off on me here cuz I’m wrong about organisms…just get the idea) and a nervous system and the backbone of our entity our United States is the Constitution and the nervous system is our laws. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water!
As gigoid said we really need to change ourselves and our values…or at least I think that was what he meant. Sheezzz again. Oooo and the original Sheezzz was for the ERA votes.
~~dru the continually ignorant but opinionated~~
I knew what you meant…Congress has no backbone……chuq
there are even some politicians that carry a pocket copy of the document (Constitution) and wipe it out whenever they try to make a lame point…
Yes, there is absolutely NO shortage of politicians ready, willing & able to “wipe” out the Constitution while trying to make some lame point. (See: Patriot Act) But me thinks you actually meant “whip it out”. 🙂
I am also of the “Constitution as written, or change it” crowd. But as a Canuck, I know EXACTLY the kind of mess a Constitutional Convention can cause. Canuckistan has had an on-off Constitutional battle for the better part of the last 35+ years! It’s resulted in bitter, ongoing, regional resentments, numerous conspiracy theories & several real conspiracies. For example, the constitution was “patriated” from the result of a late-night, secret, agreement ironed out in the kitchen of a convention hall between 3 men. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriation#The_Kitchen_Accord
Quebec was considered this a bitter betrayals “The night of the long knives” for…right until today. And this clusterfuck was supposed to smooth everything out, but did the opposite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meech_Lake_Accord
Along the way, there’s been dozens of hotly contested court cases, a national referendum and 2 referendums on Quebec separation from Canuckistan…..and I’m sure I’m forgetting a lot. Anyway, about the only thing it’s accomplished is getting Canadians to hate each other from coast to coast. That said, the only alternative was to stick to the “constitution” the Brits wrote for us that we used until 1982.
As for America? You guys are FAR too violent and FAR too well armed to even suggest a Constitutional Convention without the nation collapsing into civil war and outright anarchy.
The last line is the most important and astute….
Oh yeah. There is absolutely NO way in HELL you guys could even take 6 months of what Canuckistan went through for 35 years without nuking yourselves into oblivion.
Which is a shame, because it ensures America can’t alter it’s course, even in a dire emergency. Thank goodness your Founding Fathers weren’t as moronic as the people running the show today are. Just imagine that!
AMEN
The only reason studying it shows no value is not in the document itself; the reason lies in the interpretation of the meaning of the words. The intent of the framers remains valid; it is those who do not agree with those intentions who wish to change it….so, from the very first moments it was in place, those folks have been trying to alter it, and have been mostly successful, in convincing enough people that it is out of date, when in fact, it is not.
The very first mistake was to allow lobbying by outside influences. Money and government too easily assume a partnership, and their agendas merge to become the same, neither of which does any good for the people it serves. That is exactly the situation we have today….
Get rid of money, and religion; then, perhaps, there might be an even chance to form a government based on justice rather than profit.
gigoid, the dubious