Afghanistan–Should We Or Stay?

How about we do something different?

Let’s talk about something that has lasted 20 years and counting.

After 20 years of the same war….the former president tried to get our forces out of the quagmire and for that I will give him a small amount of credit.

Now we have a new president and the question once again arises….should we go or should we stay?

Joe has had a confusing 47 years in DC…..

Joe Biden hasn’t had too many finest hours in his 47 years plus years on the national scene. To be fair, he’s had his moments – like a powerful, earthy, and impassioned 1986 speech he delivered to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, opposing the Reagan administration’s apologism for the “repulsive, repugnant” Afrikaner apartheid “regime” in South Africa. Sure, he later – during the 2020 campaign – repeatedly peddled a bizarre lie that he once got arrested attempting to visit Nelson Mandela in prison. Nor does Biden sport such clean record on race relations in his own country – busing, crime bill, mass incarceration, anyone? Nevertheless, it was a damn good pitch Joe made in excoriating the (recently deceased) then Secretary of State George Schultz that July day in 1986. Moreover, within a month of that exchange Congress began debating on the Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act – imposing sanctions on South Africa – which eventually passed both Houses in a rare override of Reagan’s veto.

Less fanciful, but far more relevant now, was Biden’s behind-the-scenes – but apparently impassioned – opposition, as vice president, to the early Obama surge in Afghanistan. In one contentious 2010 exchange with Ambassador Richard Holbrooke (recorded in the latter’s diary) – Obama’s special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan – Biden apparently shouted: “I am not sending my boy back there to risk his life on behalf of women’s rights! It just won’t work, that’s not what they’re there for.” In this case, at least, Biden – who’d been staggeringly wrong on Iraq – was basically right, even if his vague pragmatism strikes some as crass or callous.

Joe’s Just Gotta Let Us Know: Will He Stay or Will He Go?

Personally I say…get the Hell out and bring our troops home where they belong.

There is no reason for us to stay….

The Biden admin has made it clear that they are no hurry to leave Afghanistan……https://lobotero.com/2021/02/09/biden-in-afghanistan/

There is zero reasons for us to stay…..

The Biden national security team must resist the temptation to dismiss the agreement or seek to unilaterally modify the terms. The United States has been fighting a pointless, unnecessary war in Afghanistan for nearly two decades. As of now, there is a firm date for the bleeding to stop and our participation in the war to end.

Already, many pundits in Washington are lobbying the new administration to cancel the withdrawal timeline and wait until the two sides have concluded a peace agreement. Not only is this not a provision of our February 2020 deal, abrogating it would almost certainly extend the fighting and might put the negotiations in peril.

Many supporters of keeping U.S. troops indefinitely fighting in Afghanistan claim – with some justification – that we cannot trust the Taliban’s promises and base our security on mere words. Washington should never entrust our security to promises given by any adversary. Fortunately, American national security is secured by our own, powerful intelligence and military capacity.

https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2021/02/11/there_is_no_point_to_extending_commitments_in_afghanistan_660098.html

Biden recently made a statement that he bring about responsible end to our endless wars……

Speaking at the Pentagon on Wednesday, President Biden said he will work with Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin to bring a “responsible end” to US wars.

“I will work with Secretary Austin and leaders around the world to bring a responsible end — a responsible end to wars that have dragged on for far too long, while continuing to ensure that terrorist threats cannot endanger the security of the American people.”

Biden’s comments come as he has an opportunity to end the almost 20-year-old war in Afghanistan. The US-Taliban peace deal signed in February 2020 paved the way for a May 1st withdrawal. While the administration hasn’t made an official announcement, all signs indicate that US troops will remain in Afghanistan beyond the deadline.

Biden Says He Will Bring a ‘Responsible End to Wars’

The Taleban already controls about 52% of Afghanistan….appears that the government only controls the area around the capital of Kabul….

With hopes that the 2020 US peace deal and intra-Afghan peace talks might ultimately end decades of war, some uncomfortable facts remain, raising the question of who controls Afghanistan anymore.

The US would insist the Ghani government is the lawfully elected government there, but the facts on the ground show that the Taliban physically control 52% of the country, compared to only 48% in government hands.

That’s a staggering amount when one considers that the Taliban has been fighting 20 solid years of war with both the would-be government and NATO. It would be hard to imagine that people living in Taliban territory wouldn’t feel that the Taliban, who was the Afghan government before the 2001 invasion, is effectively still in charge.

The Ghani government has focused mostly on densely populated areas, and argues they control 59% of the population. Yet Afghanistan is not a nation of cities by and large, but a rural country with a lot of natural resources and farms. Controlling physical land is ultimately more important to the country’s future.

This has been the case for some time, with the Taliban having retained important parts of the country, particularly in the south and southwest.

(antiwar.com)

I agree there is NO point in extending our stay or commitments in Afghanistan…..but Biden will listen to the M-IC that wants these wars…..they make lots of money off them.

Bring the troops home and stop this insanity.

I Read, I Write, You Know

“lego ergo scribo”

8 thoughts on “Afghanistan–Should We Or Stay?

  1. I temper my kudos to Trump wanting to pull us out of AFG. I’m not terribly sure that he was even sincere….or just telling his camp what they wanted to hear [ironically this camp is the same “freedom fries” crowd.

    If Biden does pull us out, the opposition will surely cry that we’re “retreating”. It’s in their DNA to be hypocrites.

    1. I think he was playing a game….Biden is another story….I do not think he will do much to pull out…..his record does not bode well for a bring the troops home….be well and be safe chuq

  2. As long as US citizens accept that 3 NYC buildings could be destroyed by 2 civil airplanes, US troops will stay in all occupied countries to keep oil cheap for the empire and Koch industries.

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