Let The Peasants Starve!

Peasants?

Why peasants?

A member of the class constituted by small farmers and tenants, sharecroppers, and laborers on the land where they form the main labor force in agriculture.

These days it is referring to most of the working class according to Conservative thinking….

This became a way of thinking with 1980 and the election of Reagan and his liberal use of the term “welfare queen’….a stereotyping of anyone that gets assistance from the government…..a hated sector of American society…..

Now it is all those “lay abouts on unemployment”……and the Trump GOP has come up with a new assault on anyone that is poor or unemployed…..

GOP states have moved to end all support for those unemployed by the pandemic…..

Millions of jobless workers in Republican-led states across the U.S. are growing increasingly worried that they soon won’t be able to afford rent, medicine, and other basic necessities as GOP governors rush to cut off pandemic-related unemployment benefits, a widely condemned attack on struggling people that the Biden administration insists it is powerless to stop.

As of this writing, 22 Republican governors have moved to withdraw from a federal program that boosted regular unemployment checks by $300 per week to help jobless people weather the ongoing economic crisis.

Of those Republican-led states, 19 are also ending their participation in Pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation (PEUC) and Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA)—federal initiatives that provide an extension for people who have exhausted their state-level benefits and offer aid to gig workers and others who are typically ineligible.

To justify stripping a crucial lifeline from the jobless, the Republican leaders of Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Arkansas, South Dakota, and other states have falsely claimed that the federal unemployment programs are so generous they are dissuading people from rejoining the workforce—a narrative that ignores a slew of other relevant factors, from the low wages on offer to lack of child care to health concerns.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/05/21/attempting-starve-people-back-work-anger-grows-gop-governors-cut-jobless-benefits

Then the corporations whine about the lack of interest in their slave wages….

Everyone knows American corporations from McDonalds to Walmart pay starvation wages. So now so-called leaders like Montana governor Greg “Punch a Journalist” Gianforte won’t distribute federal benefits, because people live better on those than on wages. Well, raise the wretched wages. They’re pitifully low. Or, as senator Bernie Sanders’ staff director Warren Gunnels put it: “Raise your wages and benefits or flip your own damn burgers and sweep your own damn floors.”

Just think, we live in a country where $300 per week is beyond the average American worker’s wildest dreams. What were they earning before? $200? $100? With pay like that, the U.S. really is what used to be called a Third World nation, and it’s organizations like the Chamber of Commerce that want to keep it that way. Back in early May, the Chamber, you may recall, blamed April’s lackluster employment expansion on the $300 weekly jobless benefit, “and began urging lawmakers to eliminate the federally enhanced unemployment payments,” as Truthout reported.

Companies Paying Starvation Wages Whine That Workers Aren’t Interested

Seriously?

The GOP and their masters thinking here reminds me of something from history attributed to Marie-Antoinette  “let them eat cake”!

Here is a goddamn idea…..why not up the minimum wage to $15 an hour and all those people would rush to fill vacancies in employment…..

It is not rocket science!

Well maybe it is….after all we are talking about Republicans here…..and most people know they are not the sharpest pencils in the box….just the most hateful.

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A New “GOP” On The Horizon

There are those true conservs that are fed up with the Trumpian BS and have decided that they may start a third party so the country can have true conservatism once again…..

Christine Todd Whitman and Tom Ridge are among the more than 100 Republicans who have said they’ll sign a letter demanding that the party change direction. If it doesn’t, the group warns, the GOP can expect to be challenged by a third political party. The group is opposed to former President Trump’s continued control of the Republican Party, the New York Times reports. “When in our democratic republic, forces of conspiracy, division, and despotism arise, it is the patriotic duty of citizens to act collectively in defense of liberty and justice,” says the statement’s preamble. The letter, which is scheduled to be published Thursday, calls on Republicans to “either re-imagine a party dedicated to our founding ideals or else hasten the creation” of an alternative party.

Other former officeholders behind the letter include Mary Peters, Charlie Dent, and Barbara Comstock. Former Rep. Denver Riggleman said the group would prefer not to start another party, per USA Today. “The objective is to create a common sense coalition and policy-driven movement that pushes back against disinformation like the Big Lie” about the 2020 presidential election, Riggleman said. One of the organizers is Miles Taylor, a former Trump administration official who anonymously wrote a New York Times oped piece critical of the president in 2018, as well as a book. He said former governors, party chairmen, Cabinet secretaries and state officials plan to sign the letter, which Taylor called the first step. “If we can’t get the GOP back to a rational party that supports free minds, free markets, and free people,” he said, “I’m out, and a lot of people are coming with me.”

For more information on this possibility…..https://www.rawstory.com/republicans-threaten-leaev-party/

Will they make good on this threat?

How successful will they be in the age of Trumpism and misinformation?

We already have a centrist party….the Dems….what we need is more progressive thinking.

I am all for a third party….but I do not think it will be one that I will support….but I need to see their platform before I rule them out.

Thoughts?

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Are Conservative Principles Dead?

To answer my question….I think they are very dead and sadly they did not die a noble death.

For years I have pointed to the GOP 1956 platform as something that was issues that ALL Americans could support….

The Devolution of the GOP, From Eisenhower to Donald Trump

But let us look deeper into the party platform…

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Those were the good old days for the GOP……

If you watched the CPAC 2021 then you heard nothing about principles….onlyn hat the election was stolen and Dems hate the country and Trump is the second coming of a savior…..where were those conservatives principles?

WAIT!

What are those conservatives principles of which I speak?

So sad that Repubs NO longer embrace the principles that made the GOP a great party.

Principles that they, the GOP, seldom followed after they embraced them vigorously.

All the GOP has left is a deep hatred of any Liberal…gone are the days of noble principles.

But let’s look at those now defunct principles one at a time……

Strong Families–without a good education or a good paying job the family cannot be strong and BS about abortion or which bathroom one should use does nothing to make a family strong.

Principled Innovated Leadership–The GOP has had NO innovations since 1956

Limited Government–This is nothing but a tagline these days…the GOP has expanded spending for decades….especially with war.

Honest Compassion–All Compassion left the party in 1980 with the election of Reagan.

Freedom–Subjective at best and is nothing but a campaign slogan or some theatrics from Ted Cruz.

Quality Education–Education has been in decline since the 1990s…so this principle no longer applies.

Rugged Individualism–This principle died with Trump….and the importance of social media.  These days it all about “me”…..no concern for the country or its people….as long as they get what they want then screw everyone else.

Personal Responsibility–No longer important in the days of social media that controls all for the party.

Opportunity For All–as long as one is white….minorities continue you to suffer….so the compassion thing comes into light again.

Conservative principles are dead….and looks like will be gone forever.  All they have left is political games that smack of reality TV.

More thoughts on the death of true conservatism….

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/434216-is-american-conservatism-dead

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/conservatism-dead-1914.html

https://newrepublic.com/article/61721/conservatism-dead

As a student of political philosophy I have been telling people that conservatism is no longer active or relevant….especially in the 21st century.

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Was CPAC The End Of The Line?

CPAC was a joke for American politics……it had very little to do with conservatism and everything to do with the worship of an orange god.

You don’t think that he is a god?  Then are these mental midgets praying around the idol?

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How sick is that?

As I thought there was NO vision for the GOP….all they did was relive the 2020 election…and worship of the Orange god they created…..nothing on the GOP horizon for the future.

Could the GOP be wallowing in the muck and mire of an end stage?

We are living in a time of bad metaphors. Everything is fascism, or socialism; Hitler’s Germany, or Stalin’s Soviet Union. Republicans, especially, want their followers to believe that America is on the verge of a dramatic time, a moment of great conflict such as 1968—or perhaps, even worse, 1860. (The drama is the point, of course. No one ever says, “We’re living through 1955.”)

Ironically, the GOP is indeed replicating another political party in another time, but not as the heroes they imagine themselves to be. The Republican Party has become, in form if not in content, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union of the late 1970s.

I can already hear the howls about invidious comparisons. I do not mean that modern American Republicans are communists. Rather, I mean that the Republicans have entered their own kind of end-stage Bolshevism, as members of a party that is now exhausted by its failures, cynical about its own ideology, authoritarian by reflex, controlled as a personality cult by a failing old man, and looking for new adventures to rejuvenate its fortunes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/the-republican-party-is-now-in-its-end-stages/618132/

I love it!

After all the grief I took as a radical in the 60s and 70s the GOP is now being compared to the Russian Communist Party…how delicious is that?

There is NO unity within the GOP….we have wings…the intellectual wing and that of the ‘stump jumpers’…..

Will the party wither and die and be reborn as something unholy…more so than it is today?

Fueling the divisions within the party……https://lobotero.com/2020/11/02/gop-enemy-within/

The right wing is now wanting to control social media…if successful then real and true conservatives will no longer have that voice that this country needs.

The anti-tech fervor took center stage on Friday morning, with Sen. Josh Hawley (R–Mo.), Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.), and Donald Trump, Jr., each of whom presented their case against social media with claims of censorship and bias against conservatives.

“With our base, across the country, this is probably a top 3 issue,” Trump Jr. declared. “It’s not free market, because they’re getting so many benefits and protections from the federal government that they cannot discriminate so flagrantly the way they have against conservatives.”

Hawley agreed. “We’ve got to make sure that we get the fair treatment that everyone else does,” he said, noting that Facebook, Twitter, and Google should not be getting “special deals from government.”

This was a reference to Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which lets companies remove user-generated content without being held liable for the millions of daily third-party posts on their platforms. Anti-230 activists often claim that dead-tree publishers are legally responsible for the posts they put out, so Section 230 draws an unfair distinction between publishers and platforms. But that dichotomy is entirely false and remains one of the biggest misconceptions about the law. Section 230 does not delineate between “publishers” and “platforms”; it applies to anyone who runs a site with user-generated content.

‘Conservatives Will Cease To Exist Online’: CPAC Speakers Fret About the Tech Bogeyman

They want to control the content of the very platform that brought their worthless asses to prominence….

Will the GOP morph or just eventually disappear?

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CPAC–2019

Yep it is that time of the year again….the annual CPAC meeting…the meeting of the conserv minds (not now but in the past….it was where big political ideas were hashed out)…….now it is a collection to dolts, buffoons, misogynists, bigots and total mental midgets…..in other words cheerleaders of the Trump presidency.

I have waited for some of my conserv friends to post on the meeting….so far any true conserv is avoiding this group of slugs at all costs.

I guess it will fall on me to give my analysis……I am a progressive, a radical in some eyes, so my analysis may be a bit skewed….

The “Big Ideas” this time around is abortions and creeping socialism……in other words those ideas from the 1980s and Reaganite ideas and policies…..this is the best mental midgets can do.

Plus where are the Big Idea conservatives?  Gone to podcasts everyone……most true conservs will not come to help justify the stupid that is the Trump policies…..conservs like Rick Wilson, Bill Kristol, Steve Schmidt, etc……people that still think in conserv ideas and not the manure that Trump and his enablers push…..

Opening day of CPAC gave us a step back into conserv history……

Starving people eating dog food. Parents aborting babies after taking them home from the hospital. That was the dark vision — of creeping socialism and of abortion unrestrained — that marked the opening day of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), the annual gathering of conservatives that offers an untrammeled view of Republican perspectives, and a sign of where the party is headed politically. President Trump is expected to speak at the conference on Saturday morning.

https://news.yahoo.com/infanticide-and-socialism-mark-dark-tone-in-conservative-175854123.html

Reason.com has an op-ed that sums up what most true conservs are feeling about CPAC……..

This is what I’m thinking as I work up the courage to attend the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), held annually just outside of Washington, D.C. The event, sponsored by the American Conservative Union, officially started today and thousands of conservatives are out in force. CPAC started in 1974 and there was a time in the Aughts when it routinely reached out to libertarians and even groups such as the ACLU. Over the years, Reason people, including myself, have spoken on panels there. But that was then and this is…a weird political moment where the Republican president is chumming it up with a North Korean dictator while his former personal lawyer and fixer is testifying about his boss’s alleged high crimes and misdemeanors before Congress. And the House is rejecting the president’s emergency declaration about a Southern border crisis. These are not normal times, so is there any reason to expect CPAC to be an island of normalcy? Probably not, especially given some relatively recent highlights of the conference.

https://reason.com/blog/2019/02/28/is-cpac-still-whack

As a progressive I like a good debate with my conserv opponents and friends….but what the GOP has now is NOTHING like the conservatism that many were proud to embrace……now all they have is hate, bigotry and falsehoods…..

I hope the conservs can reclaim their mantle for I miss them in the public discourse….but they cannot do it with the collection of slugs at this year’s CPAC….look at the agenda and the people that are talking……SLUGS!

http://cpac.conservative.org/agenda/

Our Beloved Supreme Leader had his day in the sun of CPAC…..his speech was a rehash of the 2016 election, the size of his inauguration crowd and finally he said that anyone that does not kiss his flabby ass hates America.

Two hours of rambling, babbling lies and bullsh*t (his word not mine)……was boring with NOTHING new…not even the use of bullsh*t was new……He gave yawns instead of ideas…..

President Donald Trump told an appreciative audience of conservatives Saturday that he will win re-election in 2020 and by a bigger margin than his 2016 victory, the AP reports. He mocked Democrats for their framework to combat climate change and said House lawmakers pushing to expand their investigations of him are “sick.” In a wide-ranging speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference, Trump rehashed his outsider campaign that overcame long odds and a crowded field of established politicians to claim the White House over Democrat Hillary Clinton. When he made his prediction of a second term, the crowd responded with chants of “USA, USA, USA.” Trump praised the conservative movement, saying “Our movement and our future in our country is unlimited.”

As he looked back to 2016, the president described himself as “probably more of a conservative than a Republican,” but says people just didn’t understand that. Trump also called the Mueller probe “this phony thing” and took aim at the Democrats’ Green New Deal, a policy proposal floated by some liberal Democrats in Congress and backed to varying degrees by several of the party’s 2020 presidential candidates. “I think the New Green Deal or whatever the hell they call it—the Green New Deal—I encourage it,” he said before mocking the notion of a world with “no planes, no energy.” The Democratic plan calls for a drastic drop in greenhouse-gas emissions from fossil fuels such as oil, coal and natural gas, but in no way grounds airplanes or pivots the country to renewable energy only.

All in all CPAC has become an enabler of a worthless ineffective president…..the GOP is truly lost and as some have said…it is dead…..

Appearing on MSNBC with host Alex Witt, GOP strategist Rick Tyler was visibly upset at what he heard from Donald Trump during his speech at CPAC, and even more so by the enthusiastic reception the president was receiving.

Asked by host Witt, “What can be done to resurrect the Republican Party as it was — or is that gone?” Tyler said the party is dead.

“Rest in peace,” he lamented. “No, it’s over. The problem is that the Republican Party has no grounding governing philosophy anymore because they’ve signed on to all these things as I just mentioned that were antithetical to the conservative movement.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/gop-strategist-stunned-reception-trumps-unhinged-cpac-speech-republican-party-dead/amp/

DEAD…Dead…dead!

All in all CPAC is degrading to the conservs, degrading to American politics, degrading to the office of president and finally degrading to the sense of good taste…..

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Conservatism–Long Lost Theory

For years I fought against anything conservative….I thought that their policies were harming a large portion of the society…..but starting in 2010 I became afraid of what conservatives had become….a political tribe that had no real policies that benefited society and the conservs of old were not so bad after all……

It is no secret that I am not a fan of our current president…..I find is approach to politics as uncouth as it can get…..

Analysts of all stripes have been peering through the political dust of 2017 to figure out what the hell happened. The academic monographs and bombshell memoirs stand side by side on the already groaning bookshelf devoted to explaining the Trump phenomenon. In all likelihood it will take decades to get a proper perspective on the year in American history that has irrevocably transformed the political landscape.

That transformation is deep-seated. It has not only created a schism separating competing ideas; it has pried apart the very conceptual frameworks that shapes those ideas, a gestalt change that signals we have reached a turning point in history. What we are witnessing is a watershed shift in philosophical first principles. The first irony to be observed is that this sweeping philosophical transformation was occasioned by perhaps the least philosophically minded president in United States history.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/heres-trump-ushered-new-form-juvenile-angry-unsophisticated-punk-conservativism/

Before, years gone by, there was an intellectual component to conservatism….a component that had substantive debates with the Left….but those days are gone….now it is boiled down to slogans and insults…..the conservatism of old is dead….

Had conservatism a Cassandra, she might, amidst the current mood of triumph, point out that whereas 50 years ago the American Right boasted several political theorists destined to exert a lasting influence, today it has not one to its credit. In the 1950s and ’60s, James Burnham, Richard Weaver, Leo Strauss, Harry Jaffa, Russell Kirk, Friedrich Hayek, and Willmoore Kendall (among others) were all at the apex of their powers. No figure of similar stature remains.

To be sure, this does not mean that conservatism has gone into intellectual decline. We may, on the contrary, be living through the high summer of conservative ideas in America. If in 1950 all the right-wing intellectuals in America could fit into a single living room, today they could fill Madison Square Garden; if in 1950 one could read their combined monthly output in a single sitting, today one could not possibly keep abreast of the voluminous popular and scholarly literature that they produce. From journalism, politics, and law to religion, economics, and international relations, self-identified right-wingers abound.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/defining-conservatism-down/

I long for the days of the intellectual conservative and I think conservatives are also longing for those days gone by.

Free Trade Or Fair Trade

Just the other day Pres. Trump signed his EO on tariffs on steel and aluminum imports  in doing so he has started a debate on free trade….many do not see his tariffs as good for the notion of free trade and still others think that free trade is a cornerstone of conservatism…..but is it, that cornerstone?

The American Conservative spotlights this in a recent article….

According to a recent analysis in the New York Times, President Trump’s “isolationist” trade policy is “at odds with longstanding conservative orthodoxy about the benefits of free and open markets.” The reader is further told that the president is under pressure from his working-class base, which is obstreperously demanding that protectionist taxes be placed on imported steel and aluminum.

I say not so fast.

The Times presents the GOP base’s supposed impatience with free trade as a departure from almost sacred Republican beliefs, and free trade itself as a permanent conservative characteristic. Their evidence is that large corporations favor free trade while labor unions have generally been more protectionist.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/free-trade-shouldnt-be-a-litmus-test-for-conservatism/

TAC also takes a look, a historic look, at tariffs…..

America’s first great protectionist political figure was Alexander Hamilton, George Washington’s treasury secretary. And compared to later mercantilist politicians in our history, Hamilton wasn’t even that much of a protectionist. His original U.S. tariff bill imposed an average taxation level of just 8.5 percent on imported goods. And Hamilton argued that any protection encompassed in those duties, as opposed to revenue requirements, should be discontinued as soon as protected industries established themselves in the American economy.

Hamilton’s opponents, the early American free traders, feared he had created a monster, while northeastern industrialists, particularly in Pennsylvania, predictably argued that protection should be substantial and permanent to ensure national prosperity.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/americas-tumultuous-history-with-tariffs/

It is too early to tell if the Trump tariffs will be good for the country or not…..steelworkers union seems to think it will be but many economists see it doing the opposite for the country.

Trump has already exempted some countries from his tariffs….that right there tells me that he is not serious.  If you are going to impose tariffs then it should be on all involved not a select few.

Time will tell whether good or bad.

Michael Steele Gets My Vote

Most of my life I have been a hardcore radical and according to some these days then that makes me a detested Liberal….but even in my most radical times I always had time for and would debate a conservative for there were some stands that I could understand and in a different day would have embraced their beliefs.

I find the conservs these days to actually have a good strong leg to stand on when addressing the public but they cannot fight the Twitter machine…..I find their stands conserv stands and do not confuse them with the policies of Trump they are not the same…..no matter how much Trump would like to claim the conserv mantle he falls short.

This recent CPAC, the big meeting of Trumpians made a big mistake in my opinion when one of the panel members attacked former RNC chairman, Michael Steele……

Yes, that’s the spokesman for the premier conservative confab of the year lamenting that his party once hired a black man as RNC chair. Walters apologized to Steele afterward, and Steele told MSNBC on Saturday he declined to accept it. Steele later called the comments “painfully stupid.”  Can you blame him?

CPAC Communications Director Ian Walters raised eyebrows at this year’s conference after telling an audience Friday evening that former Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele only got the job because he was “black.”

“We elected Mike Steele to be the RNC chair because he’s a black guy; that was the wrong thing to do,” Walters said at the event’s exclusive Ronald Reagan dinner. Many dinner attendees greeted the comments with gasps.

Steele did more to expand the GOP during his tenure than any former chairman before him…..his legislative successes were unprecedented…so to dismiss his accomplishments by saying it was because he was a black guy is just wrong and just a bit racist.

Trump is overseeing the death of a vibrant and successful GOP….the party’s roots are drying up and rotting off….

Can “True” Conservatives Survive?

In this eras of Trump real conservatives, if you listen to Bannon they are RINOs, are trying desperately to hang onto their beliefs and their base…..but they are losing their grip the minions in Congress are making it difficult for a conservative to embrace the GOP.

The GOP for a couple of decades could depend on the blue collar worker for support but that support is sliding…..

Our news feeds this year have been saturated with dispatches from Donald Trump’s America. Media outlets deployed journalists to regions besieged by rapid globalization, technological advances, and demographic change, where they attempted to explain the anger that inspired voters to embrace a figure like Trump. Their written pieces created a kind of niche journalism, presenting stories of what our nation failed to address with its transitioning economy. A number of these articles were accurate and empathetic portrayals of struggling communities, but too many of them patronized their subjects and reeked of condescension.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-the-gop-can-hang-on-to-the-working-class/

Then there are the Christian conservatives some are solidly embracing Trumpism which is giving the GOP some concern…….(key word in that sentence is “some”)…….but will they continue to support the GOP?

Republican nominee Roy Moore lost the vote in Alabama on Tuesday. To many, that defeat was comforting: Moore’s troubling background included lawlessness, extremism, and allegations of child molestation. He may not have lost by much—but with a tenfold increase in write-ins and a drop-off of 800,000 voters, it appears that Moore was too much for principled conservatives in Alabama.

Indeed, after crunching the numbers, economist Lyman Stone suggested that Moore had the lowest white evangelical support of any Alabama Republican in the 21st century:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-republican-party-doesnt-own-christian-conservatives/

To be honest I do not see the GOP turning their backs on Trumpism right now….they are getting what they have desired for 30 years…a tax cut for the wealthy and the promise of attacks on Social Security and Medicare to start….Congress is thumping their chest with pride now….

Now will that support remain next year?  Damn good question.  I would say that it will depend on the events that are forming as I type.

Will the US continue to be a conservative state and maker no mistake matters not who is elected we are a conservative state….but a good question if you know what is meant by a conservative state……let me offer you some help…..

Over the last several years, amidst the swirls of overt corruption, immigrant “hordes,” rising “national security” concerns, police militarization, bloated empire, and the so-called deepening of the “deep state,” conservatives and libertarians of all stripes have pondered the meaning of the modern state. Most recently, Paul Moreno has brilliantly considered the rise of The Bureaucratic Kings, Alex Salter has wisely questioned the relationship of anarchy (the Bohemian, Nockian variety) to conservatism, and, though I have yet to read what the always thoughtful Jason Kuznicki of Cato recommends, there is also James C. Scott’s Against the Grain: A Deep History of the Earliest States. Believe me, I am intrigued.  Each of these authors and recommenders, of course, owes an immense debt to the pioneering work of Robert Higgs’s magnum opus, Crisis and Leviathan (1987), and Higgs, in turn, had followed in the footsteps of such 20th century greats as Christopher Dawson, Robert Nisbet, Friedrich Hayek, and Joseph Schumpeter.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/birzer/the-origins-of-the-modern-state-a-conservative-view/

A lot to take in but if you consider yourself a conservative then I think you need to read and understand…..

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Why Conservatives Hate War

I know you think because the someone is associated with the GOP makes them a conservative…..not so.

Most of what people think are conservatives are actually neocons or war mongers in the first degree.

Many conservatives feel the way I do….they are opposed to war especially the wars we are fighting now….open ended war that does little to provide any security to the homeland except in slogan only.

I guess the clods in Congress nowadays would call these conservatives RINOs…..because they love them some slogan that they can use at the next Trump rally of dunces.

The American Conservative had a recent article that covered why conservatives dislike war…..(a good article, BTW)

One of the odder aspects of present-day politics is the assumption that if you are antiwar you are on the left, and if you are conservative you are “pro-war.” Like labelling conservative states red and liberal states blue, this is an inversion of historical practice.

The opposition to America’s entry into both World Wars was largely led by conservatives. Senator Robert A. Taft, the standard-bearer of postwar conservatism, opposed war unless the United States itself was attacked. Even Bismarck, after he had fought and won the three wars he needed to unify Germany, was staunchly antiwar. He once described preventive war, like the one America is being pressured to wage on Iran, as “committing suicide for fear of being killed.”

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-conservatives-hate-war/

I am finding as the days go by that I have a lot in common with real conservatives and not those mental midgets RINOs that support Trump and that toad Bannon.