What Is The Point? – In Saner Thought

WARNING:  Strong words to follow….I seldom offer much of my personal life here in IST but from time to time I feel I need to do so…..so here would be a good place to stop reading if you have a sensitive nature.

It is a Sunday and I have nothing for a post today so I went back into my archives and found something from 2009…….(Archives are a great thing)…..

What made me think of this ancient post was a news item in the local paper that they were asking for people to work at a local Civil War re-enactment….that triggered a memory of something that I had written awhile back…..

A Daily Agitation

I read this article in the AP and just had to get some opinions on this.

We have Revolutionary War re-enactments….we have French and Indian War re-enactment….we have Civil War re-enactments……all which are nothing but  macho BS to help people feel more important than they really are……but is this a wise choice?

Source: What Is The Point? – In Saner Thought

I know I may sound bitter…well there is a good reason……. I AM!


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Back in 1985 the locals wanted to have a parade to welcome home the Viet vets…the parade they had not got before and when a friend asked if I was going I told him what I tell people to this day……”Hell NO!  It is too f*cking late!”  I was not and will not soothe a guilty conscience for these people.

Viet vets are kinda like that “Next Generation” episode about the soldiers that were used during a war and then came home to be segregated from the society that sent them to fight and die…..and treated them like 2nd class citizens…….most combat vets never fully return from their deployment…..years does not matter…..something of their souls stayed in country…..basically they knew when they returned home that NO one would care…….

We always got the same two questions…..what was it like?  And did you ever have to kill anyone?  My standard response was…FUCK OFF!

People have NO idea….and to think that d/bags want to play this war is just offensive and even disgusting.

This is why I seldom talk about my experience…I have a tendency to get angry…..

Finish out your weekend and prepare for the coming week….surely it will be a bigger joke than the past one…..peace out my friends….chuq


16 thoughts on “What Is The Point? – In Saner Thought

  1. You have every right to be bitter. I remember that time all too well and felt hurt and angry myself that Americans could act the way they did toward their own troops.

  2. I keep hearing people tell me that we need to rid ourselves of hatred for other ideologies and all those other high-sounding platitudinous objectives and so now I am to accept that we should keep on living our lives in bitterness because no one cared or understood about what our comrades in arms endured during and after the Vietnam War?

    I too served during that horrid era of American History and I remember my commanding officer getting us all together and warning us, “Do not wear your uniforms out in public when you go home on leave because there are anti-war thugs out there who single out U.S. Service People to do them bodily harm and it might be dangerous to wear your uniform to town.”

    I also remember the half-whispered remarks and the snide glances as people passing by me would mutter just loud enough for me to hear them, “Baby Killer!”

    There were no parades to welcome me home. There was nothing but some kind of horrible tense feeling connected to me being in the Military during this awful conflict.

    Never mind that some of my buddies got shredded and body bagged for their ultimate sacrifice. That stuff didn’t seem to matter much to anybody but those of us in uniform at the time.

    I have friends who waited and suffered for years before getting any help from the government because they were exposed to and sickened by Agent Orange.

    I have other friends who now have their names inscribed on …. “The Wall.”

    It all was so hurtful and at the time I too felt the rage of feeling betrayed by the very country I was pledged to serve.

    But those days are long past now and I think I should divest myself of all those old negative feelings as much as is humanly possible because that kind of bitterness does nothing at all to help me now where I sit here in the year 2017 — and I don’t believe harboring that kind of bitterness is anyways near productive. So I fight against it.

    I know where you are coming from and I respect your feelings and I understand completely.

    But I think we all need to release all that stuff to History and try to move forward with a little joy in our heart and a lot of pride for having served no matter what other people might think about it.

    I think all Veterans of the “‘Nam” experience have earned their honor and dignity and are well entitled to it.

    We know what we did and we can be proud of what we did and to Hell with what the rest of the world thinks!
    Let’s try to enjoyi what is left of this all-too-short life we all have to live until the final bugle call is sounded.

  3. The only thing more despicable than those who
    Sent our young soldiers to fight a civil war in Vietnam are the bastards that shunned and disrespected these soldiers upon their return if they wee fortunate to return alive. Jane Fonda should have been tried as a traitor, aiding and abetting the enemy actively. My hat is off to these soldiers. If there is a hell McNamara is surely there.

      1. Well, I disagree and have huge regard for our military going in, a lot dodged the draft fled to Canada outbid cowardice but I’m not blaming those young folks. We do what we have to do.

      2. I don’t think young men you sign up for the military are making decisions such as “will I go or won’t I go”. That’s not the kind of military we have. When you sign up you forfeit your right to refuse to do your job, it’s not like you are working for Kinko’s. You can choose a dishonorable discharge…one can do that.

  4. Agreed. One may honor the impulse to serve the men & women showed, knowing they did so to meet their own honorable instincts, even if they were manipulated into their service by unscrupulous political forces, who lied to them. Personally, though I managed, at that time, to see through the lies enough to avoid having to go, I sublimated my own urge by serving society in my work, spending 11.5 years in a job protecting society from the mentally ill, specializing in managing those who became assaultive…

    My own father’s service in WWII, and his reluctance to ever talk of it, gave me a strong sense of what war does to men & women who must engage in it; this, perhaps, gave me the insight to look for the truth of why our generation was asked to go over there. As the truth emerged, it strengthened my resolve, but, never caused me to disrespect those who were unable to avoid the trap. In fact, it gave me more respect for them, for having survived under duress.

    Those who engage in celebrations of war, of any kind, whether the war is considered moral, or not, are, in my mind, without a clue of what honor means, or the wit to understand themselves, or others; their massive brains are useless to them, thus making them useless to society.

    I have noted, over the years, the greater portion of those who serve do not know the truth; this is sad, but, has been the way of history since the first battle over water rights at a water hole; most people are easily led, it seems. But, that is no excuse for those who wish power over others to fool anyone into engaging in warfare; there is no excuse for it.

    I used a quote in today’s post which covers this pretty well, to wit:

    “There are many things worth living for, few things worth dying for, nothing worth killing for.”~~ from Tom Robbins’ “Even Cowgirls Get The Blues” ~~

    You have my respect, my friend, because you have acted with honor from the start, and have dedicated yourself to preventing the necessity for others to follow that dangerous path. It’s really a shame not everyone can understand what honor means, or, how to show it themselves….

    gigoid, the dubious

    P.S. I used this response on both posts…

  5. Same thing happened to French soldiers who outwitted the Germans and joined the Resistance. After the war they were labelled “communists” and shunned. Not able to find work to feed his family my dad emigrated to Canada, where the labeling followed him – amazing stuff.

  6. Back in 1964 to 1969 I was in high school ROTC and every Friday was uniform day. It was all too common to be taunted by others in halls about being a baby killer. It wasn’t so much about my fellow students actually meaning it.. they generally didn’t.. too young. They were just echoing what they were seeing on TV.
    Back then air travel using military standby was a big discount.. but you had to travel in uniform. I remember traveling to and from home on leaves from my various assignments… and there were subtle things said while I was waiting in the terminals that were not so positive. I hated drawing attention to myself like that.
    I served in the same era but I was never in combat so I will never truly know. But I came to resent the “wake up” guilt of the 80’s in all those welcome home parades. I made a post on my old site about my discomfort with all the “Thanks for your service” cordiality of the recent decade. What especially irks me is when someone my age says it to me and they aren’t a vet. My mind immediately assumes they were some anti-war protesting pot-smoking hippie back in the day and I think to myself, “Where were you back when it mattered, asshole?”.
    Odd thing is.. I think the same way when I meet a Japanese person. “yeah, you’re living the good life now, but how many U.S. Marines did your father or grandfather kill because of some fucked up spiritual fanaticism?”
    I may not have fired a weapon in anger, fellas.. and maybe that in itself eats at me a bit.. but I do feel something.

    1. It is admirable that you have never fired in anger…I wish I could say that…I feel your angst….I usually answer people that have an “opinion” on that war….”matters not what you think you were not there”….Thanx for the reply I appreciate your thoughts….chuq

  7. I never had to serve in a war. Whether I believed in that war, or not. I would never presume to make any comment about your service, Chuq. That is your own nightmare, and you do not need me inhabiting it.
    Best wishes, Pete.

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