China And Ukraine–Part 2

China has been in the news lately but little has been about their involvement in the Ukraine/Russia conflict.

The news has come out that China was considering arming Russia….and the world lost its collective minds…..but maybe it was premature….

China’s representative to the UN on Thursday said that sending weapons to be used in the Ukraine war will not bring peace as the US is claiming Beijing is considering providing Moscow with military aid for the conflict.

“One year into the Ukraine crisis, brutal facts have offered ample proof that sending weapons will not bring peace, adding fuel to the fire will only exacerbate tensions, and prolonging and expanding the conflict will only make ordinary people pay an even heftier price,” China’s UN Deputy Ambassador Dai Bing told the UN General Assembly.

Dai stressed that China’s position is that the warring sides should begin peace talks as soon as possible. “We reiterate our appeal that diplomacy and negotiation cannot be abandoned, and efforts towards ceasefire and talks must go on,” he said.

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has claimed that the US has information that China is “considering” arming Russia, but Beijing has denied the accusation. The Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that the US was considering releasing intelligence that shows Beijing is weighing whether to supply Russia with weapons, but it’s not clear what information the US actually has.

In the early days of the war, US officials claimed Russia asked China for military assistance. But it was later revealed by a report from NBC News that the US didn’t have “hard evidence” to back up the claim.

China and Russia have drawn closer together since Russia invaded Ukraine one year ago as they face similar pressure from the West, but there’s still no sign that Beijing has decided to send weapons. Chinese officials maintain it’s their policy not to arm either side.


Was the news we got just to rattle our chains about China?

China has done something the US and NATO has not done….offered a possible peace plan…..

Although Ukraine didn’t rule it out, NATO and EU leaders were dismissive of a 12-point peace proposal issued Friday by China, saying its increasing ties to Russia disqualify the Beijing government from playing mediator. “China doesn’t have much credibility,” said NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, “because they have not been able to condemn the illegal invasion of Ukraine.” China’s highest-ranking diplomat promised to strengthen its relationship with Russia on a trip to Moscow this week, the Guardian reports, and Secretary of State Antony Blinken said China appears to be considering supplying weapons to Russia.

The proposal is addressed more to other nations, without calling for specific steps by Ukraine or Russia. It uses stern wording in opposing the use of nuclear weapons or the threat of it, as well as the development of chemical and biological weapons. “Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided,” the document says, while urging other nations to facilitate peace negotiations in which China would play a role. Other admonitions appear aimed at the US and the West, as when it warns against “expanding military blocs”—as in NATO.

That’s a Russian argument rejected by Ukraine and the West, that the war was started to keep Ukraine out of NATO, and it appears five lines into the paper. Many in the West saw the flaws in the proposal, which calls the fighting “the Ukraine crisis” and not a war, as fundamental. “The position paper doesn’t take into account who is the aggressor and who is the victim of an illegal and unjustified war of aggression,” an EU spokeswoman said, per Politico. China’s Foreign Ministry released the proposal on the one-year anniversary of Russia’s invasion, which was marked by protests around the world.

The proposal also condemns a “Cold War mentality,” a term that often refers to the United States and the U.S.-European military alliance NATO. “The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs,” the proposal says. Russian President Vladimir Putin demanded a promise that Ukraine will not join the bloc before the invasion.

Other points call for a cease-fire, peace talks, protection for prisoners of war and stopping attacks on civilians, without elaborating, as well as keeping nuclear power plants safe and facilitating grain exports.

The 12 points are:

  1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries
  2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality
  3. Ceasing hostilities
  4. Resuming peace talks
  5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis
  6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs)
  7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe
  8. Reducing strategic risks
  9. Facilitating grain exports
  10. Stopping unilateral sanctions
  11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable
  12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction

The initial reaction from Kyiv was dismissive, with a senior adviser to President Zelensky saying any plan to end the war must involve the withdrawal of Russian troops to borders in place when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.

However, Zelensky himself struck a more receptive tone in a news conference to mark the first anniversary of the conflict.

Not to worry the US will continue to dump money into Ukraine….so everyone is happy.

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33 thoughts on “China And Ukraine–Part 2

  1. Kyiv was dismissive, because Russia violated point #1 in 2014….continued to violate it until 2022…..and was the reason for the invasion just over a year ago. If the belligerent refuses to respect the sovereignty of it’s neighbors (and don’t for a moment think that Ukraine would have been the last nation that Russia decided to not respect), there can be no peace. Only victory (however one defines it) or submission and capitulation.

  2. We can no more believe a words out of the mouth of China now than we could believe the words being spoken by the Japanese POS as Pearl Harbor was being bombed.

      1. History repeats itself, right? Those Chinese will be talking peace plans all the while planning how they can catch us by surprise — Chairman Mau once said that China has all the time in the world to surpass America and they were are in no hurry) –Our future war for survival will be fought by many nations against the RUSSO/Chinese amalgamation.

      2. China is not nor does it subscribe to much Mao had to say anymore…..The Chinese possibly but I still do not see Russia as a threat to the US chuq

      3. Keep those spectacle cleaners handy because as time goes on you are going to see a lot of things you never thought you would see — among them Russia becoming a threat to the USA.

      4. If you regularly you will see that I have not changed one iota unlike many others….NO I AM NOT! I am the same ‘pinko’ I was in 1970. chuq

      5. I hated pinkos when I was in uniform but since then I have learned that love is a better solution —

      6. All activists — myself included — always think the same thing — that we have what is best for the country at heart — I even thought that for the summer that I was an unofficial narc …

      7. I seldom thought what was best for me but rather what would benefit the people around me no matter who they were. chuq

  3. Re the 12-point Chickanese peace plan –Stopping hostilities and unilateral sanctions will do nothing but give Russia and open door to expand Her aggressions against Ukraine and the rest of the world. The Chickanese are butt budies with Russia and nobody should listen to a word they have to say about Ukraine.

  4. I fail to comprehend why it is okay for the West to sell (or donate) arms to Ukraine, but not okay for China and Iran to sell arms to Russia. Both sides are making a profit from the sale of arms, and the ongoing war. Because one side is the agressor is irrelevant, as the UK sells arms to aggressor Saudi Arabia which kill civilians in Yemen.
    But you rarely hear anyone decrying that.
    Best wishes, Pete.

    1. Let me help to put your thought into context —You should re-phrase your question into something of this nature: “Why is it O.K., for America to render aid to England during the second world war but not O.K. for the Axis powers to render aid to Hitler?” Same question, different century.

      1. Hitler was helped by the Axis of course. Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, Romania, Italy, Spain, Austria, etc. Germany had also invaded 8 other countries before invading the Soviet Union, and Hitler had openly stated his plan to control the whole western world. I don’t think a comparison with WW2 is valid in this case, John.
        Best wishes, Pete.

      2. Putin has announced his intent to reconstruct the fallen historical soviet empire and he is about to be helped by Asian nations and he also invaded Syria and he more or less controls Belarus by proxy and I believe that he has his eyes set on Moldova and some of the NATO countries who were once in his orbit= so I respectfully disagree with your disagreement.

      3. He is absolutely inventing and fomenting dissent within Moldova, and will very likely use his 1500 Russian soldiers in Transnistria as a “peacekeeping solution” to the false flag induced “problem”.

        All the while, he is working to undermine stability in the Baltic states, with asymmetric warfare and influence operations. This is creating the foundation for eventual absorption back into the Russian “empire”. But Russia isn’t a threat apparently…..

  5. There are some folks who are so hung up on the idea that this war is based on nothing more than war profits that they completely overlook the implications to the freedom of the rest of the world. If people had been taken in by that “Profit Motive Only” mindlessness during the second world war we would all have been wearing jackboots and goose stepping for a long time now … That war was all about fighting for freedom for the free world and this mess is all about the same thing …but it hasn’t developed to the point yet where the hard headed can see it …but if a bomb falls in their back yard, they will see it in on e hell of a hurry —

      1. This war is all about trying to stop Russia’s aggressions that could end up destroying the entirety of civilization. It may not work but if it is not done, there is no stopping them at all.

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