2016 Mass-Debaters #1

AS a public service I will give a breakdown on last night’s debates……NOPE I did not lie…..I did  not watch I will use the media’s breakdown and you decide for yourself….

Your early morn read……

The first of three presidential debates is in the books, and while pundits will be dissecting it for a while, here is some instant analysis in the wake of round one:

  • Conor Friedersdorf, the Atlantic: “My impression, for what it’s worth: Hillary Clinton won decisively. But I never know what others will think. She certainly kept her poise at all times, while Donald Trump, to my eyes, started off nervous and did a lot of rambling.”
  • Adam Nagourney, New York Times: “Bottom line for me: Trump probably helped himself with his voters. And he didn’t do totally off the wall things. But I don’t think he did himself any good tonight with undecided voters, or voters who really don’t want to vote for Clinton. I’m not sure he came off as presidential at all, which he needed to, his answers on race, birthers was damaging to him.”
  • In an unscientific survey at Time, Trump was seen as the winner by 51% of readers, at least in the first hour after the debate. More than 150,000 had cast votes.
  • Andrew Sullivan, New York: “Clinton was not great at times; her language was occasionally stilted; she missed some obvious moments to go in for the kill; but she was solid and reassuring and composed. I started tonight believing she needed a game-changer to alter the trajectory of this race. I may, of course, be wrong, trapped in my own confirmation bias and bubble—but I thought she did just that.”
  • Nick Bilton, Vanity Fair: “In conclusion, it doesn’t really matter who won or lost during the debate. People who were voting for Clinton are still voting for Clinton; people who love Trump, still love him. The reality is, at the end of the day, most people are one-issue voters and they have already made up their mind about who they are going to vote for.”
  • Chris Cillizza, Washington Post: He has Clinton as the clear winner. She was thoroughly prepared and used “a slew of facts and figures to not only make her positive case but also to slam Trump.” Her rival, on the other hand, “was simply not prepared well enough.”
  • RedState: “Neither candidate was a winner or loser. They both get participation trophies. … The bottom line is that this fulfilled the crappy promise of this election: plenty of bickering, not much enlightenment, and bad media moderation. hooray.”

Number one in the bag (in more ways than one)…….and the big loser will be the American voter……no matter who wins governance will be at a stand still…..more so than the last 8 years…..

Gee, can hardly wait for #2 (that is sarcasm)……

 

The Most Important Day In Recent History

Seriously…that is how this debate is being billed in the MSM…..a better description would be a verbal “fart-fest”……

I have been reading about just how important the debate is tonight…..I do not agree with much that is been said and written…..

They say the 2 candidates are about even in the polls…if true then that shows just how uninformed the public is and just how disastrous this election will be.

But read the glowing reports for yourself……

It’s going to be the most-watched presidential debate in American history—and possibly the most controversial. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump have their first debate Monday night, and it’s expected to draw a Super Bowl-sized audience of around 100 million. The stakes will be even higher than in the WrestleMania event where Trump shaved his vanquished opponent’s head: Polls show Clinton and Trump neck and neck, and according to the latest Reuters poll, around 50% of voters say the debate will help them choose. A roundup of coverage:

  • USA Today, which has details such as viewing tips, nicknames the event being held at Hofstra University’s David S. Mack Sports and Exhibition Complex on Long Island “Smackdown at the Mack.” It starts at 9pm EDT and will last 90 minutes.
  • The Boston Globe looks at what makes this debate different from any other. Among other things, it involves a woman versus a man for the first time, and it features two of the most disliked candidates in American history.
  • The Washington Post’s debate preview looks at Clinton’s preparations—sources say there has been a lot of focus on Trump’s personality—and notes that much will depend on whether the “freewheeling showman” Trump shows up or the “sober and scripted” version. Either way, this will be his first one-on-one debate.
  • Jim Newell at Slate lists three ways that he thinks Trump can be beaten in a debate. One tip: “Ask him to explain anything.”
  • Kimberley Strassel at the Wall Street Journal has some do’s and don’ts for Trump. She believes this debate could “give him new momentum toward the White House” if he stays calm—and stays positive.
  • Politico notes that the pressure on both candidates will be at its fiercest in the first 30 minutes, a time in which most debates are won and lost—and when candidates tend to roll out their best one-liners.

There you have what the MSM media sees as the debates tonight….again I think they are all so damn wrong…..but I guess we will see…..

Blogger analysis will be more telling than those toads on the MSM……

FYI…..if you plan a drinking game during the debate then read and heed…..

Source: WARNING: Drinking every time Trump lies during the debate could lead to alcohol poisoning and death

 

The Big Night…..Debate And Merriment

Tonight is the night……. the reality show that we call the 2016 election rolls on and on….and the show in the center ring will be the debate…….the much publicized first presidential debate…..

Before this thing can begin the silliness is all around……and you thought this was going to be a serious affair (pun not intended)……it is all a game being played by dolts and dullards…….

For the moment it appears the woman who had an affair with Bill Clinton will be front-and-center during Monday’s debate at Donald Trump’s invitation, BuzzFeed reports. It started with the Clinton campaign inviting Bizarro-Trump Mark Cuban to the presidential debate at Hoffstra University. TPM quotes a Clinton aide as saying Cuban “has the best seat we have access to.” CNN explains that each candidate gets a few tickets for the debate and can decide who sits where. “Just got a front row seat to watch Hillary Clinton overwhelm Donald Trump at the ‘Humbling at Hofstra’ on Monday,” Cuban, an increasingly vocal critic of Trump, tweeted Thursday. “It is on!”

“If dopey Mark Cuban of failed Benefactor fame wants to sit in the front row, perhaps I will put Gennifer Flowers right alongside of him!” Trump tweeted Saturday. In 1998, Bill Clinton admitted to having a sexual relationship with Flowers in the 1980s. The former model quickly accepted the invitation, tweeting, “Hi Donald. You know I’m in your corner and will definitely be at the debate!” and adding a kiss emoji. Flowers’ assistant confirms to BuzzFeed that Flowers has accepted the invitation despite turning similar ones down in the past to avoid being a “sideshow.” The Trump campaign hasn’t said whether Trump’s tweet constitutes an official invite. The co-chair of the debate commission tells CNN they “would frown upon” any attempt to use guests to “impact the debate.”

(Trump’s camp has said that Flowers will not be at the debates)

I usually am a junkie for this political stuff but this debate offers NOTHING…not even for it as entertainment possibilities….it will be a worthless waste of time of diatribes insults and platitudes…..I will not watch……I will not lower myself to that level of stupid.

But I did see a thought on Twitter that made perfect sense…..why not just cancel the whole she-bang……

Let’s call the whole thing off.

Not the election, although if we only had a magic reset button we could pretend this sorry spectacle never happened and start all over.

No, we mean the presidential debates — which, if the present format and moderators remain as they are, threaten an effect on democracy more like Leopold and Loeb than Lincoln and Douglas.

We had a humiliating sneak preview Sept. 7, when NBC’s celebrity interviewer Matt Lauer hosted a one-hour “Commander-in-Chief Forum” in which Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump spoke with Lauer from the same stage but in separate interviews. The event was supposed to be about defense and veterans issues, yet to everyone’s bewilderment (except the Trump camp, which must have been cheering out of camera range that Lauer was playing their song), Lauer seemed to think Clinton’s emails were worthy of more questions than, say, nuclear war, global warming or the fate of Syrian refugees.

Source: There’s No Debate – BillMoyers.com

A great idea!  Why waste the viewers time with this silly excuse for the process?

The voter has, at least the ones that may watch, have already made up their tiny brains on who they will support when they enter the booth….

If debates need to happen then the major alternative parties should have a seat at the table…..the media will keep this from ever happening…..the US is the big loser in this debate thing.

Spoiler Alert!  Monday’s debate will be as worthless as the candidates.

ME?  I gotta wash my hair…..or maybe the dog…..but not wash the dishes.

Debates:  The Donald Could Be Walking into a Disaster

The presidential debates are only weeks away…..and could this be the final straw for Trump?

I mean he got away with the name calling and the theatrics during the GOP primaries….but I do not think it will fly when the voter is looking for a candidate to put their vote with…..

When Trump goes face to face with Clinton, that should drive the final nails into his political coffin.

It’s perhaps the most highly anticipated presidential match-up in the history of televised debates, and Donald Trump has chosen not to engage in the usual process of holding mock debates or studying briefing books. In other words, Trump isn’t prepping to debate Hillary Clinton, with the exception of having lunch with his closest advisers and radio talker Laura Ingraham to discuss the process. The Republican candidate who has somehow managed to bullshit his way through 15 months of campaigning in the same way a slacker in grade-school bullshits his way through an oral exam has chosen to stick with the same debate strategy that served him well during the primaries. That should invite significant peril when Trump finally encounters a one-on-one debate setting with Clinton next month.

Source: Will the Debates Finally Kill off Trump 2016? The Donald Could Be Walking into a Disaster | Alternet

Hopefully Trump will put the theatrics and the name calling in the crapper and answer the questions with real ideas and not his usual platitudes….

But I am not holding my breath….are you?

But if he wants to do a little theatrics…..I have a great idea and he would be the talk of the town……

A fake story from a bizarre clickbait/conspiracy site staged as a local news outlet, the Santa Monica Observerran a headline that went viral: “Donald Trump Will Not Debate Hillary, if Gary Johnson not Allowed to Participate.” It sounds crazy, but it actually could be a superb idea for Donald Trump.

The reasoning is simple. Both Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein take away more votes from Hillary Clinton than from Trump (in most polls). The RealClearPolitics average shows Clinton leading by 4 percent head-to-head, but only leading by 3 percent in a four-way race. The latest Fox News poll shows Clinton winning by 6 percent head-to-head, but Clinton wins just by 2 percent in a four-way race.

Source: Trump should refuse to debate without Johnson and Stein – Red Alert Politics

This may not happen because I cannot see Trump giving up his spot in the bright lights of the debates…..it would improve my thoughts about him…but I am guessing he cares little about what I think of him…..
Tonight’s Commander-In-Chief Forum could be very telling about what to expect in the debates the two have coming up in about 3 weeks…..(review coming tomorrow)……

Jill Stein Should Be Part of a 4-Way Presidential Debate

It is only a matter of weeks before we have our first debate between the Mouth and The Warmonger….but to be fair there should be two other candidates in this debate…Gary Johnson and Dr, Jill Stein……

If a candidate is on the state’s ballot then they should be part of the process…..polling should have nothing to do with the debates…..

After the Republicans and Democrats finished their conventions in late July, the Green Party gathered this month to nominate Dr. Jill Stein for the presidency.

fter the Republicans and Democrats finished their conventions in late July, the Green Party gathered this month to nominate Dr. Jill Stein for the presidency. Stein’s campaign—with her party on ballot lines in the majority of states, and her poll numbers surging ahead of Green numbers from recent presidential elections—has the potential to be a breakthrough bid for the Greens, and for a more robust democracy.

Stein recognized the prospect in an optimistic yet urgent acceptance speech in which she spoke of “unstoppable momentum for transformational change.” The candidate who talks of ushering in a “Green New Deal” told the Green Party Convention that the party has “an historic opportunity, an historic responsibility to be the agents of that change. As Martin Luther King said, ‘the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.’ I know that arc is bending in us, and through us. And we are actors in something much bigger than us as we struggle for justice, for peace, for community, for healing.”

Source: Jill Stein Should Be Part of a 4-Way Presidential Debate | The Nation

This would be fair and balanced….but we all know that the political process has nothing to do with “fair and balanced”……and the media will not do the right thing….they want to be the “king maker”…..so qualified candidates will not be part of the debates..

Everyone these days see the problems with this system and yet they do NOTHING to see it changed……debates with all qualified candidates would go a long way to help change occur…..

Stein and Johnson have earned the right to be part of this process…..

Carly: You Go GIRL!

Ah crap!  I know….I know……I lied!

I was not going to watch the sideshow of the day…GOP debate……but it seems that I may have missed something……the buzz is Carly went ballistic on Trump…..and I had to see it for myself……

DAMN, girl!  She is a fighter!

The Carly Fiorina-Donald Trump showdown was billed as the moment to watch during last night’s long and crowded GOP debate, and she’s emerging as the biggest winner of both the exchange and the night—and is being talked about almost as much as Trump. Here’s what the pundits are saying:

  • Fiorina “commanded voters’ attention early on by responding sternly, and unflinchingly, to Donald Trump’s attacks on her appearance,” writes Gabriel Debenedetti at Politico. “Women all over the country heard very clearly what Mr. Trump said,” she said, and Trump ended up walking his comments back, saying Fiorina “has a beautiful face and is a beautiful woman.” Fiorina also impressed with her moving remarks on Planned Parenthood and on losing her stepdaughter to drug addiction.
  • It was “Carly’s night,” agrees Rich Lowry at the National Review, describing her handling of Trump as “pitch perfect, understated, but pointed” and predicting that she will continue her rise in the polls.

Carly may be the answer to the Trump invasion into GOP politics…..she apparently is not afraid of his abusive manor……she will not be bullied…..I like that…..maybe the men in this thing should take a lead from Carly and man up and take it to Trump….there is a wealth of stuff they could hit him on….but fear has them sidelined.

CRAP!  That is 3 hours of my life I will never get back!

A final closing thought……the presumptive front runner a couple months ago was Jeb Bush……he wimped out so bad…to the point of apologizing to his mother for smoking dope…..

His performance was lackluster at best……if he eventually makes the nomination……the GOP will be in trouble….a man eater like Clinton will devour his pussy ass!

Maybe GW was the better of the two brothers…..Jeb needs to grow a pair if he is to win this thing……

I am NOT a Carly fan….but she has shown that she is tough and willing to take on the elephant in the room…..I respect that!

The Foreign Policy of the GOP

Once again I will be away from the keyboard today……still have doctors and their probing and squeezing……I apologize for the short day of posting……hopefully all this will be over today and I can get back to normal (whatever that is)…..thanx for your patience……

Yes, I am a foreign policy geek……so should our elected officials…..but that is a bit much to ask for these days…….

I admit it….I was a sucker and watched the first GOP debate…..since this election has been called the foreign policy election I wanted to see just what kind of softballs were lobbed at the candidates…..I was not disappointed….FOX News did not ask a hard question…

The world is going to Hell and these people would rather go on and on about e-mails or something else as droll…..the GOP needs to come up or at least debate solutions for the problems we are facing in the world….the next president will be up to his/her ass in international situations the day they take office…..

As it is today just what is the GOP’s foreign policy?  There is lots of criticism but NO original ideas……I ask again…..what is their foreign policy?

The Foreign Policy of the GOP by Justin Raimondo — Antiwar.com.

Here is an idea….the way one comes up with ideas is by discussing, arguing and debating…..something that the GOP has lost the capability of doing…..it appears.

Just once I would like to hear an idea coming from the minds of the GOP….instead we get  hyperbole, misinformation, criticism and outright LIES!

There are more debates to come…..maybe with a little work they could have a true foreign policy in place by the general election……and there is a place to start……….

The Republicans Need To Debate Foreign Policy by Ivan Eland — Antiwar.com.

But alas I will not hold my breath for it is easier to make crap up than to actually find solutions to problems……

5 serious Republican policy ideas that should have gotten more attention in the debates – Vox

The debate is over and I was going to let it go……but after some thought I cannot move on until something is said…..

Since the debate was moderated by FOX I figured thast the quewtion would be soft ball and I was not disappointed……like their faux reporting most of the issues covered were ISIS (bad) and immigration (bad)…..and the rest of the issues were put on the back burner…..

this is why I do not like the debates….it is about talking points and whatever piece of crap is in the news of the day…..

There were some ideas by the GOP that need to be discussed….not many of them would I vote for but they are ideas and deserve some attention…….

Does anyone else think the debates covered the issues that are plaguing the country?

 

 

5 serious Republican policy ideas that should have gotten more attention in the debates – Vox.

2016 GOP Debate: The First

Still NO word about the military takeover of Texas…….(Waiting)……….(moving on)……..last night was the very first in the list of GOP debates……finally we can have some closure over the cock up on who would qualify to be on stage……

Next the newest cock up for the GOP….Planned Parenthood……the timing was perfect……it came before the debates and gave the idiots to fixate on….that is other than real issues……the backbone of GOP politics…….imaginary crises……….

Okay on to the debate tonight!

The truth is I was not going to watch any of the candidates debates because they are going to be silly……like the news……..this country infrastructure is going to Hell and the best politicians can do is grab their crotch and bitch about Planned Parenthood…….this is a diversion…..emotional religious bullshit to keep from discussing real problems…….

I decide to watch the first one to see just how humorous and uninformative it could be…….The candidates on stage Thursday night whose poll numbers have been around the low- to mid-single digits include New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and neurosurgeon Ben Carson.

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But first there was the “Kiddie Table” debate of those candidates that could not muster enough interest to make it to the “Big Dance”……..

Their better-polling rivals get to debate in prime time, but seven Republicans tried to make the most of it in the first Fox News debate today. Based on the early reviews, it seems that one clearly did: Carly Fiorina. She “nailed it,” observes the Washington Post. The former Hewlett-Packard exec didn’t get flustered, answered questions clearly, and won rave reviews on Twitter. “They should invite carly fiorina back for the 9 oclock debate,” wrote Newt Gingrich. Some highlights from the forum with her, Rick Perry, Jim Gilmore, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Rick Santorum, and George Pataki:

  • The presence of Donald Trump came up early. Fiorina quipped that she didn’t get a phone call from Bill Clinton before deciding to run. “Did any of you get a phone call from Bill Clinton? I didn’t. Maybe it’s because I hadn’t given money to the foundation, or donated to his wife’s Senate campaign.” But she also acknowledged that Trump has tapped into something real, notes the New York Times.
  • Perry “appeared to pick up steam as the debate wore on, and he likely exceeded the low expectations that were set after his 2011 debate debacle,” writes Colleen McCain Nelson at the Wall Street Journal. Asked to use two words to describe Hillary Clinton, Perry opted for three: “Good at email.”
  • Graham also went after Clinton: “To all the Americans who want a better life, don’t vote for Hillary Clinton,” he said in answering a question about the economy. “She represents the third term of a failed presidency.”
  • Santorum hasn’t been happy with his second-tier status, but in his first debate answer tonight, he “cleverly notes he was even further back four years ago before winning a string of states,” tweeted Gerald Seib of the Wall Street Journal.
  • Jindal, asked about Ohio Gov. John Kasich’s decision to accept an ObamaCare Medicaid expansion, said, “I don’t think anyone should expand Medicaid,” but held back on going after his fellow candidate. In the view of Politico, Jindal “didn’t deviate much from talking points or otherwise do much to stand out, but was articulate in his delivery.”
  • Pataki said he undid many of Mario Cuomo’s executive orders when he became governor of New York. “I would do this to Barack Obama’s executive orders.”
  • Gilmore called President Obama’s executive orders on immigration illegal and said they show “contempt for the rule of law.”
  • Attendance in Cleveland’s Quicken Loans Arena was relatively sparse, reports AP.
  • The Washington Post provides a full transcript of the debate here.

Best in show:  Fiorina

Should of stayed home”  Jindal

And now the main event………

The first GOP debate was nothing but a new Reality Show, all that was missing was a couple of big breasted blondes crying, yelling and throwing things.

The GOP debate on Fox News tonight proved to be Trump-centric as he and his nine rivals—Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Mike Huckabee, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Chris Christie, and John Kasich—tried to emerge from the pack. (As Carly Fiorina did in the early debate.) In fact, Trump fielded the very first question, and it was a doozy. When all the candidates were asked if anyone was unwilling to pledge support to the eventual nominee and to rule out a run as an independent, only Trump raised his hand. “I will not make the pledge at this time,” he said. Other highlights, via CNN, the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post:

  • Christie vs Paul: After Paul said, “I want to collect more records from terrorists, but less records from innocent Americans. … I’m proud of standing for the Bill of Rights, and I will continue to,” Christie responded, “That’s a completely ridiculous answer. … How are you supposed to know? … When you’re sitting in a subcommittee blowing hot air, then you can say things like that.”
  • Bush on political dynasties: “I’m going to have to earn this.” And on the Iraq war: “Knowing what we know now with faulty intelligence … it was a mistake. I wouldn’t have gone in.” CNN’s David Chalian: “Nothing about tonight’s debate indicated that Jeb Bush is in the driver’s seat of this campaign. He seemed much more like a passenger—and at times a nervous and unsure one at that.”
  • Paul vs Trump: “He buys and sells politicians of all stripes. He’s already hedging his bet on the Clintons,” said Paul. Trump responded that he’s given money to Paul, too.
  • Kasich: “Donald Trump’s hitting a nerve in this country, he really is. … For people to want to just tune him out, they’re making a mistake.” He also gave an impassioned answer about his support of gay marriage, here. Writes Nicholas Confessore at the New York Times: “I think Kasich has been extremely effective up there. Lots of confidence, talks like a real person, and so far has successfully defended his biggest vulnerability–the Medicaid expansion under Obamacare.”
  • Rubio: “How is Hillary going to lecture me about living paycheck to paycheck? I was raised paycheck to paycheck.” Rubio generally won praise tonight for his answers.
  • Trump on political correctness: “I think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. I’ve been challenged by so many people and I don’t, frankly, have time for total political correctness. And to be honest with you, this country doesn’t have time, either.”
  • Carson: He said Hillary Clinton “counts on the fact that people are uninformed.” At another point, he thanked the moderator for a question and added, “I wasn’t sure I was going to get to talk again.”
  • Cruz: “It’s not a question of stupidity. It’s that they don’t want to enforce the immigration laws,” he said of unnamed GOP colleagues. Mostly though, Cruz had a surprisingly quiet night.
  • Walker: “Every section of the world that Hillary Clinton touched is more messed up today than it was.” He also said Iran and ISIS were “tied together.”
  • Huckabee: “The military is not a social experiment,” he said in discussing gender diversity and LGBT benefits. “The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.”
  • Christie on New Jersey’s financial trouble: “If you think it’s bad now, you should’ve seen it when I got there.

Summary?

Best In Show:  Kasich

2nd Fiddle:  Rubio

Tried Too Hard:  Paul

Should Of Stayed Home:  Huckabee

Not Ready For Prime Time:  Carson

All in all I was unimpressed…..but debates seldom impress me for they are mostly talking points…..little to do with real problems…….

Yawn!  Time for bed…….