I have said on many occasions that there are some very good comparisons between Vietnam and Afghanistan….and there are those that think I am mistaken….I understand the whole “stop the Taleban” just as I understood the “Domino Theory” in Vietnam….with that said when you break them down the two wars have more similarities than not….I have talked about the inhospitable terrain…the inhospitable climate….the techniques of war…on and on…..but now let us narrow our analysis to the army of the country……
ARVN–Army of the Republic Of Vietnam (South Vietnam)
Part of the mission in VN was to train the army to fight the North and the US could withdraw and play a supporting role (does that sound familiar?)…..problems arose….ethnicities, non-committal, were the major problems….some units fought well but they were the smaller units like the Rangers, Special Forces, etc….as a whole the army sucked and after many years of trying it sucked even more when the nut cutting came….after all the training and money, the army let the North take the South in less than a month…..all in all the whole war in Vietnam was a massive debacle….so the whole adviser thing was a massive waste of time and resources…..
I know….I know….then what of Afghanistan?
In a report on the Afghan National Army (ANA) which was reported by MSNBC’s Richard Engel who spends his time reporting from Afghanistan….the findings of a new assessment of the ANA….
This is a copy of that report. It was prepared for a briefing for CENTCOM commander, General David Petraeus. It was also copied to his commanding general in Afghanistan. And the military says that it is still a preliminary report, that it’s not final, but that does not change what this says about the Afghan national army, or the ANA.The 25-page study obtained by NBC News says senior Afghan commanders are, quote, “not at war. Many ANA leaders work short days, are often absent and place personal gain above national survival.” The report says Afghan troops simply aren’t leading the fight, but remain dependent on US forces, and show few signs of wanting to take off the training wheels. But what’s striking about the report is that it goes to the heart of President Obama’s argument about the war. When announcing the surge, the president said Afghan forces must be trained and equipped quickly, so American troops can return home. But the report’s section on the Afghan army’s personnel says, “Corruption, nepotism and untrained, unmotivated personnel make success all but impossible.”
And there may not be nearly as many Afghan battalions as the country claims. The report said previous estimates are not believable. “Estimate for soldiers actually in battalions far below reported,” it said. “Example: between 40 and 50 percent in some areas.” And Afghan soldiers still in the ranks have literacy problems, and that “mentally, physically unfit and drug addicts hurt units.”
Perhaps the most controversial finding, however, has to do with timing. President Obama has said he wants the troop surge to start drawing down in July 2011. But the assessment said it will take time to expand and rehabilitate Afghan forces. The report said it “cannot take a year to fix this problem.”
The report is dated from mid-December, and it just goes on and on, mostly complaining about leadership and corruption within the Afghan security forces.
The unpublished report says exactly what I have been saying…..the ANA will NEVER be ready to defend the government from outside agitators….sorry to say…Afghanistan smells like a colossal waste….just as Vietnam was……once again a similarity that does not exist….wink wink….you betcha! (sarcasm)
I’ve always thought that trying to train the locals to be different people from what they are is stupid, arrogant and an expensive waste of time – more so than in Iraq, where there WAS a viable army and police force previously in existence and the huge mistake (apart from the failure to send in anough troops and equipment at the beginning) was disbanding that army, rather than “filtering” it!
The culture in Afghanistan is very different. With the right approach and attitudes, you CAN win the hearts and minds of the people themselves in the villages and towns, but you can’t turn a warlike tribal disperate community into a cohesive modern democracy any century soon just by the use of a few “advisors”. It’s ridiculous, arrogant and just plain stupid.
What they SHOULD have done is what they implied they WOULD do at the start – go in with massive overkill, smash the Taleban that supports AQ utterly, pour aid in directly to the people (not the corrupt regimes and warlords) and GET TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THEM! Then get the hell out! Win over the people and you’ve won the war. People power ALWAYS wins in the end – it bought down the might Soviet Union!
If you want to understand the American attitude to other peoples and it’s view of its own omnipotence, watch the film Avatar! Very revealing! 👿
Morning Quin…I beleive we are in the same mind….if you going to fight then fight to win and depart……another problem mis the tribal mentality…there is something like 12 different tribes and a gazillion sub-tribes….the only way we can win over the people is find a way to make a majority of the tribes happy….and that will not be an easy task…..
When push comes to shove, self interest is always stronger that tribal loyalty, don’t you think?
Above all, make friends with the kids and in twenty years time the problem will solve itself. If you don’t, you’re storing up one hell of a problem for the future!
And, like I said, even if you hate sci-fi, watch Avatar! Does it remind you of anything in American history (and Great Britain a while back too)?
I would say that in Afghanistan….it would be family, tribe then maybe nation….I have heard that thr Right is pissed about Avatar….it seems it is a condemnation of the business climate as much as anything…pollution, greed, etc….is that about right?
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Somehow the Inidustrial/Military Complex seems to have overtaken the American Leadership’s fascination. —- War is a money maker after all, is it not?
It is……profits before people……the M-IC now owns most of the world even after Ike warned them about their growing influence…..