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It is time for our Spring meeting of the Psi Phi (ΨΦ) Society…..our small discussion forum…..contrary to popular belief this has nothing to do with science fiction….it is a meeting of a few professionals to discuss subjects randomly drawn from our stainless steel bed pan.
We meet four times a year (sometimes more often) in a local steakhouse and have a good meal, few drinks and then a discussion….
There were 7 members including myself….I had my usual filet with a baked sweet potato and a small salad with house vinaigrette…..with a small glass of an Argentine Malbec….
The time came and our waitress reached into the bed pan and drew the winning topic…..Do historic artifacts belong to the country of origin or the person who found them?
We were allowed one hour to prepare our discussion points (this is fairly easy since our host has free wifi in the eatery…..
I gave my peers a post from this blog, IST, on the subject of cultural theft……https://lobotero.com/2019/01/16/museum-of-the-bible/
My opinion is that the artifacts belong to the culture/country that created them…..I have an article that had 4 historians opinions on this topic…(there is an old saying put 2 historians in a room and you will have three opinions)….
When, 3,000 years ago, sculptors in the Assyrian Empire chiselled into being winged, human-headed bulls for King Ashurnasirpal II, they could not have dreamt that their creations would end up centuries later in museums thousands of miles away. The five-legged, alabaster beasts were not made for brightly-lit galleries. Even if we wanted to, it would not be possible to return them to their place of origin.
The ancient Assyria of 883 BC is very different from modern northern Iraq; fifth century BC Athens, which produced the much fought-over Parthenon Marbles, is unrecognisable compared to modern Greece. The court of Benin, which commissioned the Benin Bronzes, hardly resembles contemporary Nigeria.
All of the artefacts we gaze upon today were made for someone else and for some other purpose: to celebrate the powerful; for worship; or for ordinary household use. Regardless of intent, soon after any object is made, it passes out of the hands of the creator into those of others – patrons, family, friends, thieves – new owners, crossing continents and centuries and changing use as it does.
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/head-head/do-historical-objects-belong-their-country-origin
I have no problem with the display of these artifacts in Western museums….but they would be on loan and not the property of said institutions and subject to recall by the countries of origin….
As usual the evening was a great success….good food, good debate and good company….
We left the date of our Summer Session open until the Iota Rho (ΙΡ) Committee sets the date at their next meeting.
I would like to hear from my readers on this subject….please share…
Have a good day and be well, be safe….chuq
When I was in college I belonged to “I Felta Thi”.
Or was it Tappa Keg Adae? Me I as a GDI…..chuq
haha.. good one. 🙂
Let me advance for ducusdion the argument for finders keepers. If someone from France visiting the US finds some work of art which is personal property and complied with our laws and it us not reclaimed within the legal time limits, the argument is that he can take it with him when he goes back to France.
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I still think that any artifact of a culture belongs to the people that created it. Thanx for your input…..chuq
I agree. The artifacts should remain with the country that created them.
I appreciate your input….chuq
In many instances leaving them in country of origin means they will be destroyed. Islamic jihadists are destroying everything non Muslim in the areas they control. It is their goal to destroy and erase all traces of non Muslim history. If buildings cannot be saved at least save the precious artifacts. Aleppo destroyed in Syria war and the Christian shrines and history destroyed. But I agree that artifacts belongs to nations of origin but in some instances are sold by corrupt present day leaders and governments of those places.
That is only a recent occurrence….most country protect them jealously….In Iraq they were on display by Saddam and we ignored the museums when we attacked and they were destroyed as well as looted….chuq
I agree with you. Give the artifacts back to them, who’s ancestors created them. Michael
And punish those that steal them for profit….chuq
Yes, i fully agree with this too.