Transcript of Obama's speech on race – Barack Obama News- msnbc.com

He will go down as the best public speaking politician in history. Read and weep!

I was gonna be clever with my analysis of the Obama speech, but I decided that it would be better if people heard the whole thing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23691239#23691239

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23690567/

Like I said I wanted to have an in-depth analysis of the speech today. But I cannot–It was brilliant. One of the best speeches I have ever heard and I am old and I have heard a lot of them. Read and understand.

This is a post thatI was going to make on a discussion forum, but it degraded into a piece of sh*t so I decided I would put it in my blog.  

First of all, may I suggest to the Admin that this be moved to the Poli Sci section, I think it is more appropriate there. 

Secondly, this could be a helluva thread and a purely theoretical discussion. 

I have read the posts several times just to be sure that I understand where all are coming from, before I posted a reply.  This here is my take on the whole thing and I hope it added something to the discussion.

So if people come together as a society, it is somehow a crime against humanity, is that about it? 

First of all, democracy as mob rule.  I cannot dispute that.  I will add what Plato had to say about democracy, “democracy is by the stupid, who make unrealizable promises to the ignorant, and it almost always leads to disaster”.  For the most part, I tend to agree with Plato. 

Now on to collectivism and it has a definition thusly, “relations between people based on the community of their vital interests and a corresponding social consciousness expressed in people’s devotion to a common cause, in a lofty sense of responsibility before a collective.” 

But, the thing about individual rights, I can see where the point is going but then no one is an individual in a society.  Yes, I know, but society is basically an agreement between people who give up certain rights to be guaranteed others.  As a theory it is lofty, but as a reality I do not think it is all that.  If individuals work at agreements with other individuals as a form of society, then I could foresee some form of collective egoism taking place.  That is, they would have a tendency to view themselves as not different from other groups but somehow better.  The problem is, IMO, the group would then identify itself with others included and against those that were excluded.  With that would come the inevitability of social conflict.  That would then bring us back to the pack mentality.  Yes, I see the problems with collectivism, but I can also see why its necessary.

You are correct, IMO, that there is no justification for democracy, but humans are pack animals and as such have a need for a societal entity.  Humans are inherently fearful, as such they will always seek the protection of a pack (society).  Individualism is a perception not a reality.  People like to think of themselves as individuals, but in reality they will always be part of a pack.  Fear of the unknown prevents the individual from acting as a solitary being, the pack offers some security. 

  I guess I need to ask, what form of society would be out there without the collective?  (gee this sounds like something the Borg would say)  I can see chaos, not harmony.  But I realize that few will concur with my assessment.

 

Good! Maybe now we can shut the hell up and move on to issues. MSM has been making damn sure that The Rev. Wright comment has had many days to play in the minds of the voter. I guess if you are a Clinton supporter, you are getting your money”s worth out of NOTHING!

Today Obama will make a national speech, similar to the one that Romney had to make, it is just silly that anyone has to make a speech at all that does not pertain to the election. I do not care about Mitt’s religion and I sure do not give shit about what a preacher has to say. They are playing to the band. Nothing about this has anything to do with being elected president.

Are the minds of the American voter so fried that they will be influenced by such shenanigans by the campaigns? Of course they are! And to the point of being idiots! Sorry, I did take away from idiots with that statement. These easily influenced robots are beyond ignorant and are approaching STUPID!