How Immediate Is Any Secession Talk?

We have all heard weird and garbled BS that Gov. Perry of Texas has uttered about secession…..but is he alone?  Or is there a case being made elsewhere?  Even the “talented” Lou Dobbs seems to be promoting the idea of secession, which shoulkd not be a big surprise since he has demonized immigrants, czars and a president’s citizenship.

A group calling itself  Tenth Amendment Center  is publishing articles that are notably slanted toward the the concept of secession.

“Decentralization for Socialists: A Brief Primer,” reprinted from The essay argued “a peaceful, just, and democratic solution to a centuries-old problem” would be to “[l]et the people of each sovereign state decide their own fate.” The essayist argued strongly in favor of “decentralization” and bemoaned “the amount of time the modern statists, particularly on the Left, spend labeling the idea of decentralization and secession as ‘kooky.’ ” [Tenth Amendment Center website, posted 8/25/09]

“State sovereignty is a long-standing American tradition.” In a partially republished Charleston City Paper commentary by Jack Hunter, Hunter cited Kirkpatrick Sale, “author and director of the Mulberry Institute, a pro-secession think tank,” as saying, “Of course, it is true that the particular secession of 1861-65 did not succeed, but that didn’t make it illegal or even unwise. It made it a failure, that’s all. The victory by a superior military might is not the same thing as the creation of a superior constitutional right.” Hunter added, in the part of his commentary reprinted on the Tenth Amendment Center’s website: “Sale raises a good point. If the Founding Fathers had lost the American Revolution to Great Britain, would the colonial’s quest to secede from England have been decided forever, all because of a military loss? The idea that the U.S. could still be an outpost of the British Empire is one that many today would find as laughable as some find secession.” [Tenth Amendment Center website, posted 5/19/09]

“Guns, Gold, Secession.” The post by contributor Karen De Coster praised recent state legislative activity, in which “[t]wenty-eight states are invoking the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution, by rolling out legislation to assert their sovereignty as free states in order to keep from being undermined by the never-ending swarm of unrestrained federal decrees.” De Coster argued that “[g]uns are the tools with which you defend yourself, not only from the local criminal who wants what you have, but even more so, they provide free men with the capability for physical resistance from a federal government whose expansion of powers and oppressive tactics are out of control.” And, the post concluded, “The only way to get this oppressive tyrant — known as the federal government — off our back is to break away from it and start anew.” [Tenth Amendment Center website, posted 4/5/09]

“If At First You Don’t Secede.” A “guest commentary” by “VirginiaConservative” argued that “[s]ecession, in my mind, serves as final tool to bulwark against the threat of tyranny. … It should serve as a last resort to advance the cause of liberty, freedom, and self-determination.” While the author described secession as an “extreme option” and expressed “hope that American government can be restored rather than broken apart,” the author concluded: “If we lay aside or are stripped of the principles and values under which this nation was founded, then I have little choice but to say, ‘If at first you don’t secede…’ ” [Tenth Amendment Center website, posted 2/3/09]

As you can see, there is more talk about the idea of secession than the ramblings of a moronic governor…should we as a country talk all the talk seriously?  Or maybe just ignore them and they will slither back under the rocks from which they crawled.

These “:Tenthers” like to say that the Constitution is the rule, but yet they would break up the United States of America with all the secession talk.  May I remind them that there is more to the US Constitution than the 10th amendment.

6 thoughts on “How Immediate Is Any Secession Talk?

  1. The Constitution is a limiting document, providing expressly granted and enumerated powers to the federal government. The 10th Amendment (and its cousin, the 9th) EXPLICITLY claims all ungranted powers for the states, and the citizens, respectively. The whole point of the 9th and 10th Amendments is to say “You got this much and we know what it is. Everything else, INCLUDING WHAT WE DIDN’T THINK OF, is off-limits to you.

    This is why the 14th, 16th, 18th, and 19th amendments were passed – because those powers weren’t granted to the federal government and, thus, were reserved to the citizens and the states.

    1. I am aware of the 10th and the rest but my question is–would secession be legal? Would it be considered treason?

      Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

      But then we need to define WAR….would not destroying the integrity of the nation be a form of war?

      1. The mistake is that there isn’t a “nation”. The United States is a federation. This is why we have a “federal” government and not a “national” government.

        The 50 states are equal partners in a group. To claim that you can “check out any time you like, but you can never leave” is disingenuous. That would turn the Constitution into a suicide pact. Given that the framers had just gotten done feeling it “necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another”, I’m pretty sure they didn’t intend to prevent that behavior in their federation.

      2. First of all…..I would like to thank you for the visit….I did not know there was so much interest in the subject of secession….this post has been an exceptional one for viewership…..I will agree on what the Founders had intended originally, but over the years I think it has taken on a new meaning….is it correct?…..that would be for interpretation……and I suppose that that job would fall on the shoulders of SCOTUS…….sorry to ramble….sense I am not a Constitutional law expert I am trying to make sense of all the talk…..

      3. “I will agree on what the Founders had intended originally, but over the years I think it has taken on a new meaning….is it correct?…..that would be for interpretation……and I suppose that that job would fall on the shoulders of SCOTUS”

        No. There are two very specific ways to change the meaning of the Constitution and those are the amendment process or a new convention. Marbury v Madison established that SCOTUS can determine the unconstitutionality of an action by the other two federal branches. It has no authority (under the Constitution) to determine the constitutionality of an action by a member state (though it has abrogated that right to itself). Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

        Note – I have no idea if an American territory or part of a state can declare independence. I have -only- spoken to a state declaring independence. But, the Declaration of Independence states that “one people [can] dissolve the political bonds” without defining “people”, doesn’t it? So, I would say that any political unit (town, county, etc) could declare independence from the United States (and any other political units encompassing it).

        Remember – we’re not a nation. We’re a federation.

      4. I understand where you are coming from….and I would like to know if any “independence” would possibly weaken and eventually destroy the federation…..I realize what you are saying……but I still question the timing of any of the present day secessionists…is it threat or is it a “real” desire to leave the Union? Personally, I think it is so much noise because they are not enjoying the president we have or his policies.

        I thank you for your thought provoking comments and I truly enjoy a civil debate…please feel free to comment anytime you would like….

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