Why torture doesn’t work: A definitive guide – The Week

We are once again we are having the TORTURE talk……some think it was a huge success and others think it was cruel and unusual treatment……we can settle this very easily…..ASK SOMEONE WHO WAS TORTURED……..

On a side note….remember when the torture report was considered for release and all those hysterical dweebs that said there would be violence and death as a result?  I am still waiting!

Anyway this is a really good piece….maybe read it and learn…….


Why torture doesn’t work: A definitive guide – The Week.

But We Have A Spending Bill

Yes we do! The prez has signed it into law.  It is a 6000 page piece of toilet paper…..yes our government will be funded until September of 2015….that is good news, right?  Yes but what will it cost the country and its people for all this bi-partisanship?

I am so glad you asked!

The NT Times spent some time to pull out the BS that we are suppose to be thankful for…….since the bill was a 6000 page yawn they saved my a bunch of time….thank you….thank you……

DODD-FRANK Relaxes restrictions on big banks’ trading of certain risky financial instruments known as swaps. Restrictions were imposed by the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial law.

CAMPAIGN FINANCE Greatly increases federal limits on individual contributions to national political parties and their congressional campaign committees.

PENSIONS Allows trustees of certain multi-employer pension plans to cut retirees’ benefits, keeping the plans solvent without a government bailout.

E.P.A. Cuts funds for the Environmental Protection Agency; prohibits the agency from regulating the lead content of ammunition or fishing tackle.

HEALTH Provides $5.4 billion to fight Ebola in the United States and abroad. Leaves the Affordable Care Act largely intact; limits certain subsidy payments to health insurance companies.

Those are the parts that will do the most damage…..and it will pass……because Obama is in bed with the GOP……

Hey Big Spender

Last week the new spending bill was offered up….and it would fund the government through September 2015…..that means that we would not have all the theatrics over this spending for at least 10 months….or that the hint of a government shut down would be just a thought………good news, right?

The bill is huge, as all bills are, and I bet that few of us will take the time to see what is in the bill……instead we will listen to those that make a living being a liar…..the media.

In the MSM reporting they were pushing the bi-partisanship or the fact that it is a lengthy bill, something we have not had in a coon’s age……..but I ask did you spend the time to see what is in the bill?  Of course you didn’t…….the Cosby scandal is far more important or the Taylor swift has made another cover…….

I try to be helpful so here is the main issues in the bill…..as reported by the AP……….


?Overall spending. $1.013 trillion for core agency budgets for day-to-day operations, with $521 billion for defense and $492 billion for non-defense. That represents about one-third of the federal budget and is essentially a freeze at current levels. Another $64 billion is provided for overseas military operations.

?Defense. Provides a base budget of $490 billion to the Pentagon, a $3.3 billion increase. Maintaining 1.3 million active-duty troops and 820,800 reserves would cost $128 billion. Another $162 billion is provided for operations and maintenance; procurement of new weapons systems, including 38 new F-35 fighters, totals $92 billion.

?Overseas military operations. Provides $73.7 billion for overseas military operations and diplomatic efforts by the State Department to combat terrorism, including $3.4 billion to continue the air campaign against Islamic State militants and $1.6 billion to train the Iraqi military. Provides $4.1 billion to train and equip Afghanistan’s military.

?Homeland Security. Keeps the Department of Homeland Security funded at current levels through Feb. 27. Its budget will be revisited next year when Republicans are hoping to roll back President Barack Obama’s recent moves on immigration.

?Ebola. Provides $5.4 billion of President Barack Obama’s $6.2 billion request to fight Ebola at home and abroad; $2.5 billion of the total would help African countries fight the disease, while $2.7 billion would go to the Department of Health and Human Services, including $1.2 billion for Center for Disease Control and Prevention efforts to stop Ebola in West Africa and strengthen public health systems in at-risk countries.

?Foreign aid. Provides $49 billion for foreign aid programs, an almost $3 billion increase. Some $6 billion would help fight HIV/AIDS overseas, while $7.2 billion would be for economic and development programs. Israel would receive $3.1 billion in military aid; Egypt would receive $1.3 billion in military aid and $150 million in economic assistance. The Millenium Challenge Corporation, which directs aid to countries demonstrating economic and social progress, would receive $900 million.

?Environmental Protection Agency. Cuts the EPA budget by $60 million to $8.1 billion, or 21 percent below peak levels in 2010.

?Internal Revenue Service. Cuts the IRS by $346 million to $10.9 billion. Blocks the agency from targeting tea party organizations and other advocacy groups seeking tax-exempt status based on their ideology.

?Transportation. Provides $71 billion for transportation programs, including $40 billion in highway funding for states. Aid to Amtrak would be maintained at $1.4 billion.

?Housing. Provides $26 billion for Section 8 and other public housing programs for the poor. Add $10 billion for other housing programs, including help for the elderly and disabled.

?Crime-fighting. Provides $8.4 billion for the FBI, a slight increase; $2.4 billion for the Drug Enforcement Administration; $1.2 billion for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; and $2.3 billion for various grants to state and local law enforcement.

?NASA. The space program would receive $18 billion, a $364 million increase. Of that, $4.4 billion is provided for the new Orion space-launch system, which last week had its first test launch.

?Food Aid. Provides $82 billion for food stamps as required by law; allots another $6.6 billion for a program that provides food aid to pregnant and nursing mothers and their young children. Another $21 billion goes to mandatory funding for the school lunch program and child nutrition programs.

?Capitol Dome. Provides $21 million to continue a project restoring the iconic cast-iron Capitol Dome, which is beset by crack and leaks.


?Likely to be amended to include legislation aimed at shoring up underfunded multiemployer pension plans, including a controversial provision that permits them to cut the benefits of current and future retirees to shore up severely distressed plans.

?Eases regulations under the 2010 Dodd-Frank overhaul of financial regulations that require banks to set up separately capitalized affiliates ? ineligible for federal benefits such as deposit insurance ? to deal in more exotic and riskier forms of complex financial instruments called swaps. Regulators could still “push-out” risky swaps based on asset-backed securities.

?Blocks new Transportation Department regulations that require truckers to get two nights of sleep before re-starting the clock on their workweek. One effect of the rule was to shorten the maximum length a trucker’s workweek from 82 hours to 70 hours.

?Relaxes rules slated to go into effect in 2017 that require more whole grains in school foods. Put off rules to lower sodium in school meals that were supposed to go into effect in 2017.

? Prohibits the use of federal or local funds from implementing a referendum legalizing recreational marijuana use in Washington, D.C

?Blocks the Fish and Wildlife Service from placing the Sage Grouse on the Endangered Species list, which Republicans claim will have economic benefits for Western states.

?Blocks the Justice Department from raiding medical marijuana dispensaries in states where they are permitted.

? Prohibits the use of funds for a “National Roadside Survey” by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration.

? Bars funding for renovation of the United Nations Headquarters in New York, a new London embassy and debt relief for foreign countries.

? Withholds money from the UN population fund, dollar for dollar, if it operates a program in China.

? Prohibits the transfer or release of detainees held at the prison at Guantanamo, also bans construction of facilities to hold detainees within the U.S.

? Prohibits funding for the administration “light bulb standard,” which prevents the manufacture or sale of incandescent bulbs.

? Bars funding for the White House to order the IRS to determine the tax-exempt status of an organization.

? Prohibits the use of funds for painting portraits.

? Prohibits the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating lead in ammunition or fishing tackle.

The AP did an excellent job in this summary………

The MSM will focus on the provision that emphasizes their ideology…….this may be the only place that will give you ALL the major provisions for you to make a rational decision on this bill……Hopefully it will be of some small degree of help………

Please read it over and let me know what parts YOU think are important and what parts are a waste of time and even which of the provisions is a typical DC waste of time……

I will give you my thoughts on the parts that I find offensive in the next post…….

Turn The Page!

A History of the C.I.A.’s Secret Interrogation Program – NYTimes.com

Years ago the subject of torture was a hot button issue and then like all other hot button issues it fell be the wayside to make room for something m,ore important….like the Kardashians or something equally as mind numbing….

And then the debate was resurrected with the torture report out of the Senate.

Just to help people catch up there is a historical timeline that can help those that want to understand….


A History of the C.I.A.’s Secret Interrogation Program – NYTimes.com.

Oh Goody….The Torture Report!

Yesterday the all powerful torture report came out……and it even kicked the Royals to page two….go figure.

What was anticipated from this report?

the long-awaited Senate Intelligence Committee report on its use of torture—which one lawmaker on Sunday warned could bring “violence and deaths” overseas. Here’s what you need to know:

  • Who authored the report? Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee; Republicans opted not to participate. Though it was compiled between 2009 and 2013 and runs 6,000 pages, just the executive summary—at roughly 10% the length of the report—will be released.
  • How detailed is it? The New York Times describes it as “by far the most thorough study of the program to date,” and the result of a $40 million review of more than 6 million CIA cables, memos, and other records. It boasts 35,000 footnotes, reports the Washington Post.
  • What’s omitted from the executive summary: The identities of some CIA workers and the locations and host countries of secret prisons abroad will be redacted. The Daily Beast reports that about 15 staffers ran the CIA program, and that some fear their names could potentially be determined using contextual details. An unnamed intelligence official says the agency has offered to assess potential exposure of those who factor into the report, along with any security concerns potential exposure could bring. The CIA is not, however, providing security.
  • Is what’s left all new news? Nope. As the Times notes, we have leaks and Freedom of Information Act requests, among other avenues, to thank for some details that have surfaced over the years about the CIA’s interrogation program. For instance, we know about this Polish “black site” prison.
  • So what will we learn? The Guardian reports that the summary details the cases of 20 post-9/11 detainees who were tortured. Reuters talked to sources yesterday who say the details get fairly graphic: One detainee was reportedly threatened in a sexual manner with a broomstick; another detainee was intimidated with a power drill (neither instrument was used).
  • How does the CIA feel about its conclusions? Earlier this year, director John Brennan said the agency agrees with some findings but disputes others. The executive summary that the CIA approved for the public in August was slammed by Senate Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein as overly blacked out; what’s emerging today is a compromise.
  • We’ll learn more about what the CIA thinks: The executive summary will be joined by a CIA rebuttal and a Republican minority report, NBC News reports.
  • What does Dick Cheney think? He’s the latest Bush administration official to defend the CIA program. “What I keep hearing out there is they portray this as a rogue operation, and the agency was way out of bounds and then they lied about it,” he tells the New York Times. “I think that’s all a bunch of hooey. The program was authorized.”

It was released in the AM……and the MSM is all lit up with endless analysis and total BS….but what did it all say?

But first one of the best findings these dudes found….I got this via Twitter after the report was released……

Among the many abuses the Senate Intelligence Committee found in its report on the CIA’s torture program, perhaps one of the more embarrassing for the CIA is that the agency actually tortured its own informants at one point.

Now for the rest of the story…….survey sez!

In short, the CIA shackled two detainees for approximately 24 hours in a standing position to deprive them of sleep — only to find out that the detainees were former CIA contacts who tried to let the agency know of their activities so they could provide intelligence. So the CIA tortured two people who not only were not terrorists, but had been trying to help the CIA fight actual terrorists.

The Senate Intelligence Committee has dropped its long-awaited report on the CIA’s use of torture, and it pulls no punches in its 528 pages, detailing a “brutal and far worse than the CIA represented” program that ultimately was “not an effective means of acquiring intelligence,” reports the Washington Post. The report unveils tactics such as “rectal hydration” that were designed to gain “total control over the detainee,” notes the New York Times, as well as waterboarding that was really a “series of near drownings.” Some key details:

  • The CIA lied: The agency “provided inaccurate information to the White House, Congress, the Justice Department, the CIA inspector general, the media, and the American public,” as per NPR. The Post notes that one memo ordered the program be hidden from Colin Powell, because he would “blow his stack if he were to be briefed on what’s going on.”
  • The brutality: Detainees were subjected to “slaps and ‘wallings’ (slamming detainees against a wall) … frequently concurrent with sleep deprivation” for up to 180 hours, nudity, and ice baths. One interrogator told a detainee he could never go to court because “we can never let the world know what I have done to you.” Detainees exhibited “hallucinations, paranoia, insomnia, and attempts at self-harm and self-mutilation.”
  • The fallout: The program “damaged the United States’ standing in the world,” “created tensions with US partners and allies,” and cost America its “longstanding global leadership on human rights in general and torture in particular,” the report says.
  • The CIA’s response: In a statement, Director John Brennan admits the program “had shortcomings and that the Agency made mistakes,” but contends that it “did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists, and save lives.”
  • President Obama’s response: He hopes we can now leave the tactics “where they belong—in the past,” he says, per the AP. They “were not only inconsistent with our values as nation, they did not serve our broader counterterrorism efforts or our national security interests.”

The Washington Post highlights 20 key findings.

We mere mortals will only see less than 10% of the 6000 page report………..And the world is braced for the massive amounts of violence and deaths that some have predicted…….and the wait goes on…….

Will the world end or will it just be another sub[par day?