One Last Time
Posted: 6 July 2012 Filed under: Health Care, Observations, Politics, Public Policy | Tags: GOP, Obamacare, Postaday 2012 22 Comments »This will be my last post on this subject…….it has gone from a news story to nothing but clap trap and no one is listening…especially the voters…..
The SCOTUS decision has generated much talk in the MSM and surrogates from both sides have been busy dancing their way to the news stations…….is it a tax? Is it a penalty? Let’s be honest…..who f*cking cares!? Let’s look at the “Repeal And Replace” slogan that is flying around the conserv sites…….I understand that they hate it because some black guy had the audacity to take their idea and make it his own… repeal it will be more difficult than these people are telling the voter….it will take winning the House, the Senate and the presidency….something they will not DO! Not matter how much confidence they pretend to have….WILL NOT HAPPEN!
But let us say that they somehow buy enough voters to repeal ACA…..what is the GOP answer for a replacement?
Before the Supreme Court ruling was released, ThinkProgress spoke with Rep. Lee Terry (R-NE) about what Republicans would do to protect the 57 million Americans who have pre-existing conditions. “We’re going to work on that,” Terry promised, offering no specifics beyond “there’s going to be lots of ideas. We just have to accept all of them.”
When we pressed him on whether, two years later, Republicans had come up with the “replace” part of “repeal and replace,” Terry was frank: “no.”
KEYES: If it does ultimately all get struck down, what do we do for 57 million people who have pre-existing conditions?
TERRY: We’re going to work on that. We’re going to do it by looking at first, how do we lower health care costs, how do we make the system more efficient and less costly.
KEYES: Are there any ideas on how to do that?
TERRY: There’s going to be lots of ideas. We just have to accept all of them.
KEYES: Do we have any yet?
TERRY: We’re going to hold hearings, we’re going to invite experts. This is not going to be a closed process at all. It’s going to be completely open where we take as many ideas for reform as we can get and then we’ll see what it takes to deal with those that need more attention if they have significant pre-existing. So we’re going to deal with all of those issues.
KEYES: The mantra for a while has been “repeal and replace.” Is there an idea of what the replace would be yet?
TERRY: No. We want to take it in a very deliberate, open approach and take everybody’s ideas.
There it is……”Repeal and Replace”…….they want to repeal it and have NO idea how to replace it.
People, the GOP has NOTHING as far as health care goes! Their nominee had an idea…the only problem is it is ACA……what to do? What to do?
Let me ask one more question…….why would a state with high uninsured people opt out of a plan that is almost totally funded by the Federal government?
Here are those states that will most likely opt out…….
UNDECIDED, APPEAR TO BE LEANING NO:
R – Alabama
R – Georgia
R – Indiana
R – Mississippi
D – Missouri
R – Nevada
R – Texas
R – Virginia
NO:
R – Florida
R – Iowa
R – Kansas
R – Louisiana
R – Nebraska
R – South Carolina
R – Wisconsin
The states with the highest percentage of poor people……..why would they want to do this and penalize poor people knowing that states will mostly likely have to cut services down the road to try and cover budget deficits?
Anyone with a good answer?
Lob,
You’re but a few sentences in and already you’ve employed race baiting, argumentative fallacies, and insults. Republican opposition has absolutely nothing to do with Obama’s race – and you damn well know it.
You can argue that conservative opposition stems from resentment, since ObamaCare was authored, passed, and signed by liberals rather than conservatives, in which case you’ve described politics as usual. But to suggest this is about race is simply batshit crazy – and offensive.
Terrance…nice to see your smiling face again……sorry you feel that way…but batshit crazy is to despise something that was your idea……then tell me why is it a bad idea……but please find another argument than the “massive tax increase” that it is not….the penalty would effect about 1% of the population….but to pretend that the only argument you have is that I am race baiting is, in your words, batshit crazy.
Say you get your way….let’s talk about what you will replace it with….that is what the post was about even if a couple of my words offended you…if there is a GOP or even the Tea Party replacement…please share.
Lob,
Outside of an obvious failure to understand politcs as usual, your only defense is to turn the tables and sling accusations my way. You’re doing what liberals always do: demonize and stigmatize with the hope of silencing. There isn’t a shred of support for your contention that the GOP opposrs the law because Obama is black.
I don’t give a damn what you call it. The government is still trying to modify perceived bad behavior with a
penalty, tax, whatever.
Sorry you feel that way Terrance……a defense is not necessarily an attack…..unless your accusations are an attack…..and you are doing what conservs do when they have NO answer….attack my thoughts as somehow destroying the country….
When did I say your thoughts were destroying the country? Are you high or something. I called you out for that unsubstantiate piece of garbage about conservatives opposing healthcare because Obama is black and you respond with more attacks and double talk. I have explained why I oppose ObamaCare numerous times throughout our relationship: it gives the federal government too much power. Why do most Republicans oppose it? For that reason too. But, also, because it’s supported by Democrats, which, as, I said is “politics as usual.”
Yes I am HIGH! On life…….Do you recall calling liberals socialists? And how their ideas will destroy America? And as far as insults go….calling a liberal socialist is insulting to me for I am a socialist and liberals are cowards to anything social….besides all that…..we can talk about how you are insulted or I am…but none of that explains how 30 million people would be insured….if there is an idea to do that then we can discuss that….but so far tort reform and savings accounts will not do it.
I apologize for the delay but when t/storms move in I get off the pc…..
The black man thing is my opinion…I mean the whole Obamacare thing was a conserv idea, supported by conservs, implemented by a conserv and yet it is a bad idea….they make no sense to me. And the massive tax increase….will effect only people that can afford health care but decide to free ride and I would think conserv would like the idea of punishing those that free ride, they have been demonizing them for decades. Maybe it is just because it is a Dem thing and I am mistaken on the black man thing…but it still looks suspicious to me….but then I am a cynical SOB….
Another thing. It seems as though you feel it can’t be a tax because it will only affect a small percentage of the people. Okay, what abbot the luxury tax and similar penalties on rich people? Since they only, affect a small number of people, they can’t possibly be taxes. Right?
So says the person who refers to people as fanatical islamists (but he repeats himself) and pro-abortionists.
Liberal policies are socialistic in nature. That is simply a fact that liberals such as yourself need to accept. We all know “socialist” is a dirty word, which is why you fear the lable. My advice would be to convince people that socialism is good or at least necessary, because denying that modern liberalism is internally socialist is simply ridiculous.
Terant,
I didn’t insult anyone. Liberals are socialist, and people who support abortion are not an tu-abortion
*are not anti-abortion, are not indifferent to it, so the only correct way to refer to their view is to say they are pro-abortion. Logic. Try it.
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And the difference is that I can point to liberal policies and correlate their existence with bad trends. In other words, I can prove that many liberal policies are bad the country. But you suggesting that conservatives hate black people is baseless and insulting.
I don’t know I would imagine a muslim or a pro-choice person would be insulted by your remarks. My point is conservatives throw around these insulting labels just a freely as liberals to “demonize and stigmatize with the hope of silencing.”
The GOP certainly doesn’t have any answers, let alone a clue.
Hansi, since the mandate thing is a GOP idea….I just cannot tell what their idea for replacement would be short of saving accounts and tort reform….neither will do much to help the people witjout health care.
I too would like to know what conservatives would replace it with? Judging from their counter proposals, they want to take away the states rights to regulate the insurance companies (to hell with the 10th amendment) and allow them to incorporate in some banana republic to escape any liability from their decisions.
Terrant…..I wish I had an answer to pass on….but have been unable to clarify this point….maybe someone will click on and enlighten us.
It doesn’t take a clairvoyant to look into a crystal ball to tell us, that if, and that’s a big IF, the GOP gets their way and repeal it, they have no plan at all, except to let the big insurance companies dictate how live, or sadly die.
Don, kinda like now?
You could say that.
TERRY: We’re going to hold hearings, we’re going to invite experts. This is not going to be a closed process at all. It’s going to be completely open where we take as many ideas for reform as we can get and then we’ll see what it takes to deal with those that need more attention if they have significant pre-existing. So we’re going to deal with all of those issues.
This is probably SPAM but read it…looks like some msg for someone on the hearings to come…..